Exodus 2018
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That article seems like a massive overreaction. The overseas exodus is one of the biggest threats to NZR, and this is something they're looking at to try and mitigate it. Overseas clubs may or not go for it, but it's worth trying. Frankly anything is worth is a try, except doing nothing and hoping for the best.
We won't learn anything from these clubs? We're not learning from them now anyway. We get nothing from them except a player drain.
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@majorrage do most not come back as it is rarely successful for one to come back and become an AB?
@taniwharugby I don't know enough players to answer that honestly. I would guess the coin is the more likely reason, as well as life out of the spot light
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@majorrage well the coin was probably the biggest factor in leaving, and you are right, probably big in them staying put too...but I expect some when weighing up the chances of returning and making it back to the ABs see it as a much harder path than staying one, especially when initially they will only be on a M10/Super contract until (if) they get back in ABs...
Havent been on much in the past week, but assume its been mentioned Thomas Waldron is coming back to NZ and will be looking at and for a M10 and possibly super rugby contract.
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I have been arguing for some bit of time for there to be greater collaboration between like-minded unions around player development, coaching, etc and match income sharing.
I think this idea from NZRU is a good one and the kind of clubs that would best fit would be those run by unions in Ireland, Wales, Scotland and Italy.
If a clear pathway of exit and return was mapped out for some, not all, players then it might have a chance. It’s not clear as to whether they’d want it to be capped players only (so they couldn’t be captured) and/or what age group they’re considering. A 2 or 3 year contract at 23/24 might prove attractive and not require a massive salary that PRO14 clubs could not afford. Could it work the other way too where some younger NH players move south?
Does it have to be confined to NZ? Would it work in Oz too?
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Daniel Braid, as a capped AB played for the Reds, and at the time was in the form of his life, but ineligible for ABs. However, not sure it would greatly benefit Aus if we did had a number of players over there, at least many of the ones that head over there now could end up Wallabies, whereas a team in Europe we have ties to would have less impact overall.
Wasn't there talk of SARU doing something similar or even buying a team like Saracens?
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@majorrage well the coin was probably the biggest factor in leaving, and you are right, probably big in them staying put too...but I expect some when weighing up the chances of returning and making it back to the ABs see it as a much harder path than staying one, especially when initially they will only be on a M10/Super contract until (if) they get back in ABs...
Havent been on much in the past week, but assume its been mentioned Thomas Waldron is coming back to NZ and will be looking at and for a M10 and possibly super rugby contract.
@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2018:
Havent been on much in the past week, but assume its been mentioned Thomas Waldron is coming back to NZ and will be looking at and for a M10 and possibly super rugby contract.
Thomas is already nearly 35 - pretty doubtful he'd be worth a punt as an injury replacement in this year's Super rugby - and next year he'll be 36. Might be good as an old head in a M10 Cup team.
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Didn't his form fall off a cliff!
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@tim said in Exodus 2018:
Highlanders forward Elliot Dixon eyes up overseas move pending All Blacks selection
Never as good as some rated him. A good back up but shouldn't ever have been in line for a first team spot.
A wrong choice by the Zoo.
Never like to see a player go thereby reducing the strength of Super Rugby, but goodbye and good luck.
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@tim said in Exodus 2018:
Highlanders forward Elliot Dixon eyes up overseas move pending All Blacks selection
Never as good as some rated him. A good back up but shouldn't ever have been in line for a first team spot.
A wrong choice by the Zoo.
Never like to see a player go thereby reducing the strength of Super Rugby, but goodbye and good luck.
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it feels like we have reached a point where the exodus has just moved into another gear. I think we have done a great job of keeping talent in NZ over the last 20 years but wonder how long we will be able to do so?
The NZR and our partners are in an arms race we cant win basically and the whole SH is suffering and our competitons are diminishing which affects revenues which speeds up the process of players leaving. Catch 22
I dont think there is an answer either unless we get a sheikh who wants to invest in NZ rugby! I am not sure we can stop this. In fact, I know we won't be able to. People, of all walks of life, chase the money, always have, always will.
How long will this take? when will NZ's best be playing in France. A Kieran Reid or a Richie McCaw moving to France in his prime could force a policy change from the NZR and then we are not in kansas anymore toto.
I hate the idea where rugby follows football and all the best players are in Europe and euro club rugby becomes the highest quality in the game, more than the world cup.
Sorry to be so depressing but it is depressing.
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it feels like we have reached a point where the exodus has just moved into another gear. I think we have done a great job of keeping talent in NZ over the last 20 years but wonder how long we will be able to do so?
The NZR and our partners are in an arms race we cant win basically and the whole SH is suffering and our competitons are diminishing which affects revenues which speeds up the process of players leaving. Catch 22
I dont think there is an answer either unless we get a sheikh who wants to invest in NZ rugby! I am not sure we can stop this. In fact, I know we won't be able to. People, of all walks of life, chase the money, always have, always will.
How long will this take? when will NZ's best be playing in France. A Kieran Reid or a Richie McCaw moving to France in his prime could force a policy change from the NZR and then we are not in kansas anymore toto.
I hate the idea where rugby follows football and all the best players are in Europe and euro club rugby becomes the highest quality in the game, more than the world cup.
Sorry to be so depressing but it is depressing.
@dagrubster TBH, I don't even know if money will stop some players leaving, travel is a huge factor for SH rugby (Super & TRC) with numerous trips away for weeks at a time, can't imagine that is easy on a player with a young family...sure he and his partner know what they are getting into blah blah blah...doesn't make it any easier
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it feels like we have reached a point where the exodus has just moved into another gear. I think we have done a great job of keeping talent in NZ over the last 20 years but wonder how long we will be able to do so?
The NZR and our partners are in an arms race we cant win basically and the whole SH is suffering and our competitons are diminishing which affects revenues which speeds up the process of players leaving. Catch 22
I dont think there is an answer either unless we get a sheikh who wants to invest in NZ rugby! I am not sure we can stop this. In fact, I know we won't be able to. People, of all walks of life, chase the money, always have, always will.
How long will this take? when will NZ's best be playing in France. A Kieran Reid or a Richie McCaw moving to France in his prime could force a policy change from the NZR and then we are not in kansas anymore toto.
I hate the idea where rugby follows football and all the best players are in Europe and euro club rugby becomes the highest quality in the game, more than the world cup.
Sorry to be so depressing but it is depressing.
@dagrubster said in Exodus 2018:
I dont think there is an answer either unless we get a sheikh who wants to invest in NZ rugby!
Good post. Emirates All Blacks? It worked for Team NZ, or did AIB already get that spot? A seriously wealthy private benefactor would be great. The Larry Ellison Oracle All Blacks is a bit repugnant to me, Elon Musk maybe...
One of the most successful sporting teams in history should be able to attract enough sponsorship cash to keep players on equivalent money to a French club. Below that we have a problem, the "super" teams can't compete with NH cash.
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@dagrubster said in Exodus 2018:
I dont think there is an answer either unless we get a sheikh who wants to invest in NZ rugby!
Good post. Emirates All Blacks? It worked for Team NZ, or did AIB already get that spot? A seriously wealthy private benefactor would be great. The Larry Ellison Oracle All Blacks is a bit repugnant to me, Elon Musk maybe...
One of the most successful sporting teams in history should be able to attract enough sponsorship cash to keep players on equivalent money to a French club. Below that we have a problem, the "super" teams can't compete with NH cash.
@snowy said in Exodus 2018:
@dagrubster said in Exodus 2018:
I dont think there is an answer either unless we get a sheikh who wants to invest in NZ rugby!
Good post. Emirates All Blacks? It worked for Team NZ, or did AIB already get that spot? A seriously wealthy private benefactor would be great. The Larry Ellison Oracle All Blacks is a bit repugnant to me, Elon Musk maybe...
One of the most successful sporting teams in history should be able to attract enough sponsorship cash to keep players on equivalent money to a French club. Below that we have a problem, the "super" teams can't compete with NH cash.
A Saffa owning the ABs ....
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@snowy said in Exodus 2018:
@dagrubster said in Exodus 2018:
I dont think there is an answer either unless we get a sheikh who wants to invest in NZ rugby!
Good post. Emirates All Blacks? It worked for Team NZ, or did AIB already get that spot? A seriously wealthy private benefactor would be great. The Larry Ellison Oracle All Blacks is a bit repugnant to me, Elon Musk maybe...
One of the most successful sporting teams in history should be able to attract enough sponsorship cash to keep players on equivalent money to a French club. Below that we have a problem, the "super" teams can't compete with NH cash.
A Saffa owning the ABs ....
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@snowy said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
A Saffa owning the ABs ....
Needs be, and "supporting" not owning.
Still, leaves a dirty taste in the mouth.
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@snowy said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
A Saffa owning the ABs ....
Needs be, and "supporting" not owning.
Still, leaves a dirty taste in the mouth.
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it feels like we have reached a point where the exodus has just moved into another gear. I think we have done a great job of keeping talent in NZ over the last 20 years but wonder how long we will be able to do so?
The NZR and our partners are in an arms race we cant win basically and the whole SH is suffering and our competitons are diminishing which affects revenues which speeds up the process of players leaving. Catch 22
I dont think there is an answer either unless we get a sheikh who wants to invest in NZ rugby! I am not sure we can stop this. In fact, I know we won't be able to. People, of all walks of life, chase the money, always have, always will.
How long will this take? when will NZ's best be playing in France. A Kieran Reid or a Richie McCaw moving to France in his prime could force a policy change from the NZR and then we are not in kansas anymore toto.
I hate the idea where rugby follows football and all the best players are in Europe and euro club rugby becomes the highest quality in the game, more than the world cup.
Sorry to be so depressing but it is depressing.
@dagrubster That's along the lines of what I was saying a few weeks ago.
To help avoid the endgame of rugby being a Euro sport, we all need to be a bit more hostile to guys taking cash over country!
