TV Serieseseses
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@mariner4life said in TV Serieseseses:
Is this where we talk about 30 for 30s? 'cause i watched one on Rick Flair last night and it was goddam awesome.
I only really knew Flair when he was old in the late 90s, and just a shit character. Turns out he was fucking awesome. Watching a bunch of wrestling legends speak about his ability in awe was pretty surprising (not sure I've seen Hogan give anyone that level of praise).
The last 15 minutes gets pretty fucking somber though. Shaun Michaels absolutely nails it.
I bet he couldn't drink as well as Andre the Giant though
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@tim said in TV Serieseseses:
Discovery is really dreadful. It tried to be Game of Thrones in space in the second half, and it's just dopey, poorly written, charmless schlock. Looks good though.
It hasn't presented a single interesting idea. Problems are solved because the awful lead character has a genius idea that is never revealed. She wins all the fights too.
They just introduce a bunch of unconnected events and sequences in rapid and random order, never connecting them or building for a payoff.
Garbage. Worst of all it presents a lame and generic "dark" sci-fi future that is completely unappealing. Who gives a shit about saving that federation. There's no earned stakes.
Most of what you described is basic Trek problem solution, from Kirk to Picard. Someone always comes up with a batshit crazy solution - usually with techno babble - and they always win hand to hand combat.
Discovery is no different there.
I do find the nudity jarring in a Trek universe, they could drop that and lose nothing.
I agreed with the war/militaristic tone issue until they had the huge twist that explained that completely. They ended up in a very Star Trek hippy dippy vibe.
I also like the structure being a compromise between episode long arcs and season long arcs. They had three main story blocks, with two cliffhangers before have a finale to wrap up the story (I don't include the above as a cliffhanger, that's a "please watch us next season hook").
Respect that you think it's garbage, but I grew into it and really enjoy walking dead actor's acting.
Special effects are movie quality at times. Just look at that Enterprise! The deflector shield!
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@kirwan Nah, old Trek at least worked through a problem in basic sci-fi/tv manner, and earned a resolution. Here they just say it's solved and everything is finished up in a couple of minutes. There's no setup and payoff, it's just a random thing that happens. Very JJ Abrams. Very dumb and empty. The resolution of the bomb issue and the war in the final episode was a good example of this.
No drama, no tension, no stakes, no ideas, no interest.
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@tim said in TV Serieseseses:
@kirwan Nah, old Trek at least worked through a problem in basic sci-fi/tv manner, and earned a resolution. Here they just say it's solved and everything is finished up in a couple of minutes. There's no setup and payoff, it's just a random thing that happens. Very JJ Abrams. Very dumb and empty. The resolution of the bomb issue and the war in the final episode was a good example of this.
No drama, no tension, no stakes, no ideas, no interest.
Captain Kirk once conquered a planet by telling them that the Federation was the biggest syndicate in the universe. While dressed as a 30s gangster.
I can come up with equally stupid resolutions from the next generation too.
People take TV way to seriously these days. It's always been stupid, that's why it's fun.
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@kirwan A total cop out answer. All TV is not equally poorly written.
In the Syndicate episode that one was one small element. It was silly, but it had charm, and it worked through the plot while adhering to the rules it set out - the problem wasn't solved by a deus ex machina, or simply having a character state that everything worked out. It had some good lines ("You do not even know what the action is."), and was well paced.
Discovery takes itself extremely seriously, and features interminable, self-important monologues full of cliches and meaningless pablum. The very silly, not at all thought out, plot devices and resolutions are completely at odds with its self-serious tone and ambition.
You cannot make a case for a show if you just excuse it's failings by saying "oh well it's just stupid TV." It is indeed stupid TV, and it can be far more than that. It may as well be Supergirl.
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@tim said in TV Serieseseses:
@kirwan A total cop out answer. All TV is not equally poorly written.
In the Syndicate episode that one was one small element. It was silly, but it had charm, and it worked through the plot while adhering to the rules it set out - the problem wasn't solved by a deus ex machina, or simply having a character state that everything worked out. It had some good lines ("You do not even know what the action is."), and was well paced.
Discovery takes itself extremely seriously, and features interminable, self-important monologues full of cliches and meaningless pablum. The very silly, not at all thought out, plot devices and resolutions are completely at odds with its self-serious tone and ambition.
You cannot make a case for a show if you just excuse it's failings by saying "oh well it's just stupid TV." It is indeed stupid TV, and it can be far more than that. It may as well be Supergirl.
My point is if the TOS and TNG was subjected to modern fandom the criticisms would be very similar. TNG in particular relied on deus ex machina (love that term), spreading around the last 5 minute resolutions to Wesley, Jordi and Data all the time.
Can we at least agree that it's better than Enterprise???
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Star Trek suuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccckkkksss
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@kirwan The thing is that even if TNG's first season was rough, it was developing interesting, appealing characters, and was set in a very well designed, and highly appealing universe - you wanted to live in it, it was a different vision to most of sci-fi, and it gave you a reason to care.
Also, although TNG was often over reliant on technobabble to save the day, at least they worked through a story that presented it as the logical conclusion to the episode. They didn't just have a character say "I know what to do", then jump to the conclusion or have a woman beat everyone up.
Seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise were much better than this dreck, despite that show being pretty bad.
This is neither good nor trek. It's a bad JJ Abrams show with a high budget.
Come up to Warkworth tomorrow so I can continue insulting your taste.
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@tim said in TV Serieseseses:
@kirwan The thing is that even if TNG's first season was rough, it was developing interesting, appealing characters, and was set in a very well designed, and highly appealing universe - you wanted to live in it, it was a different vision to most of sci-fi, and it gave you a reason to care.
Also, although TNG was often over reliant on technobabble to save the day, at least they worked through a story that presented it as the logical conclusion to the episode. They didn't just have a character say "I know what to do", then jump to the conclusion or have a woman beat everyone up.
Seasons 3 and 4 of Enterprise were much better than this dreck, despite that show being pretty bad.
This is neither good nor trek. It's a bad JJ Abrams show with a high budget.
Come up to Warkworth tomorrow so I can continue insulting your taste.
I wear my bad taste as badge of pride.
I did consider coming up to the game, just too busy at work though.
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@taniwharugby said in TV Serieseseses:
Star Trek suuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccckkkksss
If I could like this post 1000 times I would.
TV show on the whole these days are far more sophisticated and plot driven with all sorts of twists and turns. Try to genuinely sit though an episode of Magnum PI, Knight Rider or the A Team to see exactly what I mean.
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@mn5 said in TV Serieseseses:
@taniwharugby said in TV Serieseseses:
Star Trek suuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccckkkksss
If I could like this post 1000 times I would.
TV show on the whole these days are far more sophisticated and plot driven with all sorts of twists and turns. Try to genuinely sit though an episode of Magnum PI, Knight Rider or the A Team to see exactly what I mean.
You forgot the Dukes of Hazard
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@taniwharugby yet more evidence you've been hacked by @MN5
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@mn5 said in TV Serieseseses:
@taniwharugby said in TV Serieseseses:
Star Trek suuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccckkkksss
If I could like this post 1000 times I would.
TV show on the whole these days are far more sophisticated and plot driven with all sorts of twists and turns. Try to genuinely sit though an episode of Magnum PI, Knight Rider or the A Team to see exactly what I mean.
C'mon bro, liking your own post
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Fargo S3
Some parts of this series was excellent, other parts less so...this, like the other series are based on a lot of dumb luck or bad luck as things transpire and things go from bad to worse.
Thought Ewan McGregor was good as the Stussy brothers, didn't realize he was playing both until ep 2.
Also thought Mary Elizabeth Winstead was good, she is pretty tidy too.
However I thought David Thewlis stole it with his role as the enigmatic Varga.
Interesting they still open with 'This is a True Story' then the 'True' fades out leaving 'This is a Story'
From Ethan Cohen:
"We wanted to make a movie just in the genre of a true story movie. You don't have to have a true story to make a true story movie."
Even so, Fargo did take inspiration from two real-life events. One, a General Motors Finance Corporation employee who committed fraud by playing around with serial numbers, as we see Jerry Lundegaard (William H Macy) do. The other was the murder of Helle Crafts, a Connecticut woman whose husband killed her and disposed of her body by putting it in a wood chipper. “Beyond that, the story is made up,” Joel told the Huffington Post.
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@bovidae Altered Carbon is next up for me after finishing Fargo!
Is that S1 of Taboo?
Started The Alienist, which is set late 19th century New York, about a serial killer preying on boys who work as 'girls' for the Cities elite....Daniel Bruhl, Luke Evans and Dakota Fanning.
Started well, but last ep I watched was a bit slow.
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Yep, S1 of Taboo. S2 has yet to be made.
I've got free Neon for a year so will make the most of it and watch the shows that interest me. I don't have Lightbox and refuse to pay for Soho so that limits what I can watch. I am keen to see The Man in the High Castle but I think that's only available on Amazon Prime.
