AB Positions up for grabs
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The one you've been waiting for, Blindside Flanker.
With Kaino's career winding down this is a huge season for those wearing the six jersey. His replacements last year were unimpressive to say the least. Neither imposed any presence down the blindside channel on defence, with Fifita's workrate inconsistent, and Squire's non-existent. All Black ruck defence was particularly poor last year, and was exploited twice by Australia. Of the two, Fifita has the most athletic potential, though seems better adapted to power lock play at this stage of his career.
The Contenders:
Jerome Kaino - the greatest of all time, does he have another season left? If well managed he probably has a partial one. Must watch injuries though. Will not play all games, even if his form returns dramatically.
Fifita - excellent athlete learning a difficult position. Reminder that Kaino took several years to grow into the position. So did Luatua. Could be the answer, would help to get more time at six this Super Rugby season.
Squire - good ball carrier, flat-track bully. See his performance against the Crusaders in last year's playoff game. Went missing when up against top notch opposition. Very little physical impact in Brisbane against Australia. Needs a massive improvement in workrate and defensive presence.
Ioane - another outstanding young athlete who is still learning the role. Very strong, hits rucks and gains turnovers, physical defender, excellent ball carrier. Needs to improve decision making and workrate consistency. Will play at eight a lot, but has had his best games at six. Future All Black star. Should be developed for the World Cup. Should benefit from his second season playing XVs exclusively.
Hemopo and Evans are the outsiders. Barrett may get some time there for the ABs.
A potential weakness for the All Blacks.
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The one you've been waiting for, Blindside Flanker.
With Kaino's career winding down this is a huge season for those wearing the six jersey. His replacements last year were unimpressive to say the least. Neither imposed any presence down the blindside channel on defence, with Fifita's workrate inconsistent, and Squire's non-existent. All Black ruck defence was particularly poor last year, and was exploited twice by Australia. Of the two, Fifita has the most athletic potential, though seems better adapted to power lock play at this stage of his career.
The Contenders:
Jerome Kaino - the greatest of all time, does he have another season left? If well managed he probably has a partial one. Must watch injuries though. Will not play all games, even if his form returns dramatically.
Fifita - excellent athlete learning a difficult position. Reminder that Kaino took several years to grow into the position. So did Luatua. Could be the answer, would help to get more time at six this Super Rugby season.
Squire - good ball carrier, flat-track bully. See his performance against the Crusaders in last year's playoff game. Went missing when up against top notch opposition. Very little physical impact in Brisbane against Australia. Needs a massive improvement in workrate and defensive presence.
Ioane - another outstanding young athlete who is still learning the role. Very strong, hits rucks and gains turnovers, physical defender, excellent ball carrier. Needs to improve decision making and workrate consistency. Will play at eight a lot, but has had his best games at six. Future All Black star. Should be developed for the World Cup. Should benefit from his second season playing XVs exclusively.
Hemopo and Evans are the outsiders. Barrett may get some time there for the ABs.
A potential weakness for the All Blacks.
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Backup Openside Flanker
Cane is an excellent player, but he's frequently injured, so we need a good backup for him. In reserve we have some good but not great players, some younger than others. Most need to improve their physical impact, which is easier for the young.
Contenders:
Todd - excellent Super Rugby player, lacks size and physical impact at test level, especially on defence. Still gets turnovers though.
Savea - very fast, good link player, but lacks size. Did not impress last year, where his defence (especially around the ruck) was exposed by Australia, and his lack of physicality by the Lions. How much weight has he put on in the off-season? Didn't notice him in the preseason game against the Blues. 24 years old.
Gibson - very good defender, wins turnovers, high workrate. Needs to work on link play, ball carrying, and general physical impact. Makes dominant tackles but not as often as Cane. Chances curtailed by injury so far. Could be in for a breakout season. Only 22 years old.
Dillion Hunt - fine all-round player, not outstanding in any aspect, but young (22) and has potential to develop.
Lachlan Boshier - good player but not a standout. 23.
Dalton Papali'i is the dark horse here. Physically imposing, he's one of the best young players I've seen recently. Was good against the Hurricanes in limited game time.
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(Reserve) Starting Lock Contenders:
Scott Scrafton - the spine of the Blues and Auckland packs. Very good lineout lock, excellent workrate, tall (2.00m) and athletic, excellent defender. Needs to improve his ball carrying and link play. Worth picking this year - two years in the ABs could see him develop into a world class set piece lock with a great workrate. Soon to be 25 years old.
Michael Fatialofa - impressive before injury, how well will he recover? Hasn't been a good all rounder, powerful around the field, but not a standout. Tidy in the lineout but not great.
Luke Romano - good player and squad member. Probably the best current option, but not world class in any facet.
Dominic Bird - doesn't seem to be consistently good, not outstanding in any area except the scrum.
Would like to see more of Quinten Strange. Young and probably tall enough (1.99m). Good workrate.
@tim said in AB Positions up for grabs:
(Reserve) Starting Lock Contenders:
Scott Scrafton - the spine of the Blues and Auckland packs. Very good lineout lock, excellent workrate, tall (2.00m) and athletic, excellent defender. Needs to improve his ball carrying and link play. Worth picking this year - two years in the ABs could see him develop into a world class set piece lock with a great workrate. Soon to be 25 years old.
Seriously impressed me in teh Blues last year. Shored up an area we have been weak in. Would need to go up another level to get into the ABs, but a really solid first professional year for him.
Came from nowhere for me -- not sure if that's because I don't follow enough club rugby, but was a pleasant suprise.
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Backup Number 8
Much the same contenders as blindside flanker. Add Whitelock, who has an excellent workrate and is an accurate defender. Ioane is the outstanding contender here. Luatua would've been a shoo-in. Should be getting that Julian Savea money.
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@tim said in AB Positions up for grabs:
(Reserve) Starting Lock Contenders:
Scott Scrafton - the spine of the Blues and Auckland packs. Very good lineout lock, excellent workrate, tall (2.00m) and athletic, excellent defender. Needs to improve his ball carrying and link play. Worth picking this year - two years in the ABs could see him develop into a world class set piece lock with a great workrate. Soon to be 25 years old.
Seriously impressed me in teh Blues last year. Shored up an area we have been weak in. Would need to go up another level to get into the ABs, but a really solid first professional year for him.
Came from nowhere for me -- not sure if that's because I don't follow enough club rugby, but was a pleasant suprise.
@nzzp He was in the NZ U20s in 2013, and NZ schools before that. He had a great season for Auckland in 2015, and was quieter in 2016 but was still their defensive player of the year.
Our very own @muddyriver picked him as the best lock in Auckland and at the Blues in the 2017 preseason.
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Bird was very good during the EOYT, particularly against the French in Lyon. He is not very old so he is a serious contender for the AB, given the fact that Scott Barrett has shown his lack of physicality in the tight against muscular opposition.
If Fatialofa can regain his 2016 form, then he could be the best of the reserves.
Gareth Evans could also be a contender for the Cane's backup. He is the type of player that won't let his team down. -
Bird was very good during the EOYT, particularly against the French in Lyon. He is not very old so he is a serious contender for the AB, given the fact that Scott Barrett has shown his lack of physicality in the tight against muscular opposition.
If Fatialofa can regain his 2016 form, then he could be the best of the reserves.
Gareth Evans could also be a contender for the Cane's backup. He is the type of player that won't let his team down. -
The one you've been waiting for, Blindside Flanker.
With Kaino's career winding down this is a huge season for those wearing the six jersey. His replacements last year were unimpressive to say the least. Neither imposed any presence down the blindside channel on defence, with Fifita's workrate inconsistent, and Squire's non-existent. All Black ruck defence was particularly poor last year, and was exploited twice by Australia. Of the two, Fifita has the most athletic potential, though seems better adapted to power lock play at this stage of his career.
The Contenders:
Jerome Kaino - the greatest of all time, does he have another season left? If well managed he probably has a partial one. Must watch injuries though. Will not play all games, even if his form returns dramatically.
Fifita - excellent athlete learning a difficult position. Reminder that Kaino took several years to grow into the position. So did Luatua. Could be the answer, would help to get more time at six this Super Rugby season.
Squire - good ball carrier, flat-track bully. See his performance against the Crusaders in last year's playoff game. Went missing when up against top notch opposition. Very little physical impact in Brisbane against Australia. Needs a massive improvement in workrate and defensive presence.
Ioane - another outstanding young athlete who is still learning the role. Very strong, hits rucks and gains turnovers, physical defender, excellent ball carrier. Needs to improve decision making and workrate consistency. Will play at eight a lot, but has had his best games at six. Future All Black star. Should be developed for the World Cup. Should benefit from his second season playing XVs exclusively.
Hemopo and Evans are the outsiders. Barrett may get some time there for the ABs.
A potential weakness for the All Blacks.
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Backup Openside Flanker
Cane is an excellent player, but he's frequently injured, so we need a good backup for him. In reserve we have some good but not great players, some younger than others. Most need to improve their physical impact, which is easier for the young.
Contenders:
Todd - excellent Super Rugby player, lacks size and physical impact at test level, especially on defence. Still gets turnovers though.
Savea - very fast, good link player, but lacks size. Did not impress last year, where his defence (especially around the ruck) was exposed by Australia, and his lack of physicality by the Lions. How much weight has he put on in the off-season? Didn't notice him in the preseason game against the Blues. 24 years old.
Gibson - very good defender, wins turnovers, high workrate. Needs to work on link play, ball carrying, and general physical impact. Makes dominant tackles but not as often as Cane. Chances curtailed by injury so far. Could be in for a breakout season. Only 22 years old.
Dillion Hunt - fine all-round player, not outstanding in any aspect, but young (22) and has potential to develop.
Lachlan Boshier - good player but not a standout. 23.
Dalton Papali'i is the dark horse here. Physically imposing, he's one of the best young players I've seen recently. Was good against the Hurricanes in limited game time.
@tim said in AB Positions up for grabs:
Backup Openside Flanker
Savea - very fast, good link player, but lacks size. Did not impress last year, where his defence (especially around the ruck) was exposed by Australia, and his lack of physicality by the Lions. How much weight has he put on in the off-season? Didn't notice him in the preseason game against the Blues. 24 years old.
But fuck he is tall
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Bird was very good during the EOYT, particularly against the French in Lyon. He is not very old so he is a serious contender for the AB, given the fact that Scott Barrett has shown his lack of physicality in the tight against muscular opposition.
If Fatialofa can regain his 2016 form, then he could be the best of the reserves.
Gareth Evans could also be a contender for the Cane's backup. He is the type of player that won't let his team down. -
@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
Is Hames still a fill in
Yeah, I think so. Our pack did not perform well last year. Especially against Australia and on the EOYT. His workrate is not impressive.
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Bird really stepped up a notch last year and had games where he outshone BBBR (more likely they shared the workload). Has a chance if he shows out again.
Harris was singled out by the coaches for his contributions on the EOYT. I also couldn't see why from what we observed on the pitch, but they have the detailed numbers both on and off the field to judge by and appeared quite happy with him.
Hames deserves a bit more black jersey pay if only for that scrum against Scotland which may well have saved our arses (legal or not)We need another 9, another 10, to sort out the midfield options and settle down with them, also get another 'second fullback' (Duffie?) going.
Other questions are how to fit the talents of Jordie B and DMac into the team irrespective of injuries. Two valuable players for a RWC squad makeup but somehow we need to keep them involved and gaining on field experience.
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11996709
"With Lima going we've gone from having two starting No 10s who are both comfortable driving the game to only one so it's going to be interesting watching Damian and how he goes at five-eighth for the Chiefs, Richie Mo'unga for the Crusaders and young Stephen who is injured at the moment for the Blues and all the other five-eighths for that matter," Hansen said.
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11996709
"With Lima going we've gone from having two starting No 10s who are both comfortable driving the game to only one so it's going to be interesting watching Damian and how he goes at five-eighth for the Chiefs, Richie Mo'unga for the Crusaders and young Stephen who is injured at the moment for the Blues and all the other five-eighths for that matter," Hansen said.
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@nepia said in AB Positions up for grabs:
@tim Damn, I forgot I was setting you up for your one man war on Squire ;).
He's not fighting that alone
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@tim haha i dont even remeber posting that dont know how you do!
on joe edwards he was not offered a contract above his auckland one so he wasnt in a position to stay and is now in 3rd division in france. his body was done at 22.
@seu cooper looks to be trying him at 8 will be interesting i think they lack depth at 8 at the chiefs
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@tim haha i dont even remeber posting that dont know how you do!
on joe edwards he was not offered a contract above his auckland one so he wasnt in a position to stay and is now in 3rd division in france. his body was done at 22.
@seu cooper looks to be trying him at 8 will be interesting i think they lack depth at 8 at the chiefs
@muddyriver said in AB Positions up for grabs:
i dont even remeber posting that dont know how you do!
It was right on the money!
