2017-18 World Sevens Series
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@bovidae said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
NZ didn't fire a shot in that game. Still have the same deficiences.
They played well on day 1. There are clear improvements compared to the last few years. Very inconsistent performances though and they seem to find it difficult to stay focused for 2 days. Not sure that's due to (just) coaching.
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@stargazer said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@bones said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Far out that was poor from NZ. Pretty disgusting tackle attempt from McGarvey-Black (sp?) on Barrett too, should probably have been yellow which balances out the bizarre card for Ravouvou.
I'm struggling to see why we have a foreign coach.Who would you suggest as a NZ sevens coach, who could do a better job?
Why you blaming the coach? You need 2 playmakers and 2 speedsters?
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@bones said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Far out that was poor from NZ. Pretty disgusting tackle attempt from McGarvey-Black (sp?) on Barrett too, should probably have been yellow which balances out the bizarre card for Ravouvou.
I'm struggling to see why we have a foreign coach.Who would you suggest as a NZ sevens coach, who could do a better job?
@stargazer said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@bones said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Far out that was poor from NZ. Pretty disgusting tackle attempt from McGarvey-Black (sp?) on Barrett too, should probably have been yellow which balances out the bizarre card for Ravouvou.
I'm struggling to see why we have a foreign coach.Who would you suggest as a NZ sevens coach, who could do a better job?
I'm not sure having no coach would be much worse, if at all. If we're going to have a foreign coach why didn't we actually have someone properly proven?
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Don’t really follow 7s but are NZ becoming a 2nd tier nation these days? USA this time I see. Would be unthinkable in the 15s version.
@billy-tell said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Don’t really follow 7s but are NZ becoming a 2nd tier nation these days? USA this time I see. Would be unthinkable in the 15s version.
Yes but the whole of the Sevens is flattening out it seems. It was USA v Argentina in the last final. All the teams are getting so much better at scoring when they have possession so games can turn on winning the kick-offs, the decisions of the ref etc.
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Blitzbokke will struggle against Fiji in the semi-final. Fiji are quite rampant at the moment.
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Blitzbokke will struggle against Fiji in the semi-final. Fiji are quite rampant at the moment.
@justanotherfan said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Blitzbokke will struggle against Fiji in the semi-final. Fiji are quite rampant at the moment.
They are also missing a sevens team of players through either injury or SR commitments. So there is that as well.
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NZ also lose this game: 17 - 21 to England.
Good game from Curry, McGarvey-Black and Ravouvou, but I seriously wonder why guys like Collier and Baker are in the squad. There must be better injury replacements. They missed Mikkelson big time.
England has some great speedsters.
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England now how to waste time at the end of the game
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@billy-tell said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Don’t really follow 7s but are NZ becoming a 2nd tier nation these days? USA this time I see. Would be unthinkable in the 15s version.
Yes but the whole of the Sevens is flattening out it seems. It was USA v Argentina in the last final. All the teams are getting so much better at scoring when they have possession so games can turn on winning the kick-offs, the decisions of the ref etc.
@kiwipie said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@billy-tell said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Don’t really follow 7s but are NZ becoming a 2nd tier nation these days? USA this time I see. Would be unthinkable in the 15s version.
Yes but the whole of the Sevens is flattening out it seems. It was USA v Argentina in the last final. All the teams are getting so much better at scoring when they have possession so games can turn on winning the kick-offs, the decisions of the ref etc.
It's not so much "is NZ becoming a second tier nation" at sevens...it already is. They are only a shadow of what they used to be. They make watching their games both embarrassing and absolutely fkn frustrating.
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@kiwipie said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@billy-tell said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Don’t really follow 7s but are NZ becoming a 2nd tier nation these days? USA this time I see. Would be unthinkable in the 15s version.
Yes but the whole of the Sevens is flattening out it seems. It was USA v Argentina in the last final. All the teams are getting so much better at scoring when they have possession so games can turn on winning the kick-offs, the decisions of the ref etc.
It's not so much "is NZ becoming a second tier nation" at sevens...it already is. They are only a shadow of what they used to be. They make watching their games both embarrassing and absolutely fkn frustrating.
@centreman said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@kiwipie said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@billy-tell said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Don’t really follow 7s but are NZ becoming a 2nd tier nation these days? USA this time I see. Would be unthinkable in the 15s version.
Yes but the whole of the Sevens is flattening out it seems. It was USA v Argentina in the last final. All the teams are getting so much better at scoring when they have possession so games can turn on winning the kick-offs, the decisions of the ref etc.
It's not so much "is NZ becoming a second tier nation" at sevens...it already is. They are only a shadow of what they used to be. They make watching their games both embarrassing and absolutely fkn frustrating.
Ridiculous comment. NZ is not a second tier nation at sevens. It's just that - based on past performances when other countries were weak - we always have high expectations; maybe unrealistic expectations. Other countries have become much better and have started beating us. The coaches/NZR haven't found the answer yet ..
Second tier nations play in the bottom half of the schedule; as long as NZ regularly keeps reaching the QF, they are not a second tier nation.
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@justanotherfan said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Both NZ and SA are through to QF and they are up against each other in a final group match. However because they are top of the championship I will call this a pseudo final. Purely for one reason. Whoever wins has the easy route in knockouts and whoever loses has a QF probably against USA (tough game) and would have Fiji on their side of the draw at SF time. So good luck.
My prediction...
NZ will put it all on the line, win a gutsy hard fought game against SA and then play Fiji in ghe QF, who lose their last pool match, and lose after the siren after Kurt Baker kicks it away ...
Fiji win the Cup ...
@booboo said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@justanotherfan said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Both NZ and SA are through to QF and they are up against each other in a final group match. However because they are top of the championship I will call this a pseudo final. Purely for one reason. Whoever wins has the easy route in knockouts and whoever loses has a QF probably against USA (tough game) and would have Fiji on their side of the draw at SF time. So good luck.
My prediction...
NZ will put it all on the line, win a gutsy hard fought game against SA and then play Fiji in ghe QF, who lose their last pool match, and lose after the siren after Kurt Baker kicks it away ...
Fiji win the Cup ...
Close ... except for:
- US not Fiji who conspire to come 2nd in their pool and beat us in the QF ...
- Not completely last minute
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@stargazer said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@bones said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Far out that was poor from NZ. Pretty disgusting tackle attempt from McGarvey-Black (sp?) on Barrett too, should probably have been yellow which balances out the bizarre card for Ravouvou.
I'm struggling to see why we have a foreign coach.Who would you suggest as a NZ sevens coach, who could do a better job?
Why you blaming the coach? You need 2 playmakers and 2 speedsters?
@justanotherfan said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Why you blaming the coach? You need 2 playmakers and 2 speedsters?
Because he didn't play those that we had left. Koroi is injured but Knewstubb has been really good, Ravouvou should have been on the field a lot more in a knock out game, and the Laidlaw had Baker on for the whole game (who is flakey at best) and was only sent over as replacement. He took the USA too lightly I reckon even though they won the last tournament.
I think that the coach can take some of the blame.
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@justanotherfan said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Blitzbokke will struggle against Fiji in the semi-final. Fiji are quite rampant at the moment.
They are also missing a sevens team of players through either injury or SR commitments. So there is that as well.
@pn said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
@justanotherfan said in 2017-18 World Sevens Series:
Blitzbokke will struggle against Fiji in the semi-final. Fiji are quite rampant at the moment.
They are also missing a sevens team of players through either injury or SR commitments. So there is that as well.
You are not alone there. Karoi and Mikkelson were huge losses for NZ through injury.
As for SR commitments? Really? I'll see your Senatla and raise you a couple of Ioane brothers. There are an awful lot of players in both NZ and SA who would be great at sevens. OZ suffer to a lesser extent I think, but Folau could be great for example. SA don't have the SR issue on their own.
