Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket
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@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Lehman goes.
Real talk, I've had a bit of fun with this over the last couple of days, it's been a good bit of chat about a sporting controversy.
But Jesus Christ this is fucking ridiculous. I fucking feel for all of them now, even warner. It's fucking ball tampering, not match fixing. Get a grip.
I don't get the sanctimony in the aussie press at all. Suddenly the "hard edge" is a stick to beat them with, but was celebrated not a couple of months ago. Get fucked.
Thats the only bit I disagree with. Warner was a cancer in that side and the others all made the mistake of not stopping him soon enough. They are now paying for it in a much worse way than they probably deserve.
Im in two minds about Lehmann. He encouraged the trash talk and allowed what was always a culture on the edge to go over it.Id be happy seeing Warner with what he's got, Smith with no captaincy and probation, Bancroft with the ICC sanction and probation.
Even in Lehmann's presser there he made it clear he has no time for Warner, mentioning only the other two.
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@jegga Amazing how some spastic who has clearly never played any sport can crap on for eight fucking minutes about something he doesn't give a shit about.
@crucial said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
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@hooroo said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Because he isn’t playing for a year and is in this position because of the other two.
Smith's lack of leadership put himself in this position.
Lack of leadership in itself isn't a crime, but he was meant to be the adult in the room and has to take responsibility for not stopping it.
Good leaders make mistakes and learn from them. Good organisations provide enough rope for leaders to hang themselves and then use it as a learning exercise. Contrast CA's handling of this with NZR and McCaw ultimately keeping his job.
@crucial said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
That and Smith's presser is hard watching for what is ultimately Warner's small man syndrome.
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If Warner is this massive cancer he is being made out to be, then why has he been allowed to be very vocal, and very public, with his attitudes up to now? And often with the public backing of his team?
I think he's a bit of a fluffybunny. But then I've always thought that, and I've been vocal about it.
I'm just a little perplexed how quickly he's been painted as the real villain, and someone who categorically needs removing from the team. Something doesn't seem right to me.
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@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
If Warner is this massive cancer he is being made out to be, then why has he been allowed to be very vocal, and very public, with his attitudes up to now? And often with the public backing of his team?
I think he's a bit of a fluffybunny. But then I've always thought that, and I've been vocal about it.
I'm just a little perplexed how quickly he's been painted as the real villain, and someone who categorically needs removing from the team. Something doesn't seem right to me.
My guess. He let others take the fall for him despite being the cause of the situation in the first place.
That, and what appears to be his behaviour around the team during the crisis, has shown his true colours. -
Just as an aside, does anyone think Candace will be back on the market anytime soon.
Asking for a friend.
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@majorrage said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Absolutely magnificent PR by team Smith.
Perfection.
The tears, the dad, the message - hell even being paraded through the airport the way he was have all turned the tide nicely for him.
In the long term though the Kim Hughes aspect of the press conference probably do more to preclude him from captaining Australia ever again that anything else.
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@majorrage I think a lot of that newfound response to Smith was the authenticity of his remorse in the press conference.
Well that's what I felt. I wish him well and want him to come back better.
Good lad, fucked up and now wants to set that right. Kudos
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@nta I'm convinced the CA sentence was harsh to placate the sponsors. They're by far the significant party to us watching and "consuming" sport. More pivotal than the players in this modern age.
It's all connected to the media exaggerations because the mouth breathers that support the media shrill are exactly the demographic who the sponsors call consumers.
CA now have a genuine negotiation chip with the punitive measures they've taken and the cricket argument in their sentences falls way behind "being seen to do the right thing".
As for the over the top media coverage, it ain't over the top if you don't subject yourself to it. That tactic has been working splendidly for me for several years - you do find yourself at parties saying " what's that story?" a lot though
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@jegga said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I don’t follow cricket or know much about it but I feel confident saying this guy is a prize fluffybunny.
Lasted 30s. So don't know what he said.
However I'm confident that based on him being a "Youtuber" who purports to have a weekly "show" that you're probably right.
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Perhaps what this whole saga is really all about:
"We can learn that the game needs to calm down. I wrote in the Wisden Almanack this year that the tone of the game is in need of a serious retuning... Removing the lip, that negative intent, is what we can learn. By all means bowl bouncers with skill and precision, but take out the angst and hate, the sledging and the media barbs, and just go out and express your version of your courage and skill for your team. Show the youth of today the right way to play the game respectfully, hard and fair. The game has turned too lippy, too edgy. Let's chill a bit in general, as a good lesson and reminder, to keep the game authentic."
Martin Crowe, November 29, 2014
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Easy to forget if Warner and co had managed to get away with this and done it again (and again) and it was successful
Their cheating could have ended careers.
Their mental disintegration approach has been incredibly ruthless, it has ended several careers.
The English alone have lost several high profile players who went from being very successful to a shadow of their former selves. They have taken much delight and glee from breaking down other teams. ( Jonathon Trott anyone?)
That gets all forgotten about when they hold a press conference and bawl their eyes out.They have brought this on themselves.
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@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
If Warner is this massive cancer he is being made out to be, then why has he been allowed to be very vocal, and very public, with his attitudes up to now? And often with the public backing of his team?
I think he's a bit of a fluffybunny. But then I've always thought that, and I've been vocal about it.
I'm just a little perplexed how quickly he's been painted as the real villain, and someone who categorically needs removing from the team. Something doesn't seem right to me.
Kane publicly vouched for him. Maybe he was just being polite, but he didn't have to. Regarding the way the Aussies conduct themselves, and Martin Crowe's comments, contrast how we behaved in the final innings of the last test. We were combative, we bowled with real menace, and there was even a bit of anger and verbal from Boult. There is still room for it if it's not taken too far
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The scrutiny of past acts was always going to happen.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12020357
" an innocent way of a player taking an energy boost on the field in hot, strength-sapping conditions."
Really?
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@snowy said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
The scrutiny of past acts was always going to happen.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12020357
" an innocent way of a player taking an energy boost on the field in hot, strength-sapping conditions."
Really?
I've never eaten pure sugar out of my pocket.....
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@snowy said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@canefan said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I've never eaten pure sugar out of my pocket.....
No. Neither have I.
Mr Bancroft might be onto something? Maybe we should try it when we get a bit tired?
Bancroft's heartfelt apology might lose some impact in the wake of this footage. It was meant to be a one off or so they said....
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The reaction of current and former players to Warner on twitter has been notably different to the other two all week
I was playing for England against Australia in a one-day international in Sydney and I had just been dismissed for a second-ball duck, lbw to Mitchell Starc. As I was walking off, head down, David Warner charged over and screamed abuse in my face.
I don’t need to repeat what he said, but that story from 2015 is enough to explain why a lot of cricketers around the world have little or no sympathy after hearing Warner had been suspended for 12 months. Many of them will feel this is a classic case of cricketing karma. As soon as you get personal on the field, you will find yourself with enemies.
'Smith and Warner used to mock opponents — many will feel it is karma'
I was playing for England against Australia in a one-day international in Sydney and I had just been dismissed for a second-ball duck, lbw to Mitchell Starc. As I was walking off, head down, David Warner charged over and screamed abuse in my face.
