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    He probably has a higher defensive (and otherwise) work rate at 6, but he's still learning to play 8.

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      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/102888648/blues-skipper-james-parsons-shuts-down-coach-issue-talk-were-in-this-together

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        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/102888648/blues-skipper-james-parsons-shuts-down-coach-issue-talk-were-in-this-together

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        @tim pressure starting to mount on Tana in the press. Not before time.

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          @kiwimurph said in Blues 2018:

          Comments on the Blues Development team from the video above

          1 Lindemuth - very good at core roles - handy around the field too
          2 Eklund - very good game - lineout throwing superb - his lineout throwing has come a remarkable way in the last 12 months or so. Ball in hand he had some nice runs in the second half. Should be a full squad member of the Blues.
          3 Salmon - very similar to Lindemuth - went well.
          4 - Neenee - was ok - nothing special - similar to his M10 Cup form.
          5 - Pierce - good lineout work - fine around the field without lighting it up.
          6 - Slade - didn't play much - got replaced by 26 (not sure who that is?) who looked out of his depth a bit.
          7 Papalii - worked his way into the game - really has a physical presence and a good rugby brain - played the full 80 - should be starting 7 for Blues this weekend.
          8 Sotutu - really mobile and skillful for a big guy, makes a lot of plays, reminds me a lot of Luatua. Huge future.

          9 Levein - mostly a good game - i've seen him play before and he has underwhelmed but he was pretty good - quick crisp passing, good committed defense, even nabbed a ruck turnover. Made a few mistakes as the game wore on.
          10 Kirkpatrick - had a nice run to start the game - was a bit greedy going for the line himself on one occassion and turning it over.
          11 Telea - dangerous ball in hand that had to be accounted for - kicked chased well and defended well too. Looked useful.
          12 Tumua Manu - very solid - few errors - underrated player - can play wing too.
          13 - looks a good prospect - good size, has vision, good skillset, mostly good midfield defence (though he got beaten badly on the outside for a Chiefs set piece try) - for such a young guy he is impressive - though he went off with a leg/foot injury of some kind - was down for a long time.
          14 Hyland - doesn't look like a winger but was really solid in everything he did - deceptively strong and runs good lines, showed off a nice boot on one occasion.
          15 - Leger - hard to evaluate cos he is playing out of position but he made a good fist of 15 and also played 10.

          In terms of the bench I thought Gregory probably stood out the most - he's on the smallish/wirey side but looked useful ball in hand.

          @Bones remember him in the back three with Cully and Tana back in 97? Surprised hes still running around. What a year for the Canes. Barrett was playing too.

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          @mn5 I was impressed with the 13 for the Blues as well,was that the same Mark Talea who has turned out on the wing for Harbour..?

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            @mn5 I was impressed with the 13 for the Blues as well,was that the same Mark Talea who has turned out on the wing for Harbour..?

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            @steven-harris Two different players playing the same game. I too was impressed by the 13.

            Mark Telea was on the wing for the Blues development team (11). That is the wing for Harbour.

            The 13 for the Blues development team was Tanielu Tele'a - part of the Auckland U19 National Champs team last year and in the NZ U20s squad for the Oceania tournament coming up (assuming his injury isn't too bad).

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              @mn5 I was impressed with the 13 for the Blues as well,was that the same Mark Talea who has turned out on the wing for Harbour..?

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              @steven-harris said in Blues 2018:

              @mn5 I was impressed with the 13 for the Blues as well,was that the same Mark Talea who has turned out on the wing for Harbour..?

              @Bones someone is actually asking me a rugby question.....

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                NZ Herald this morning

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                  McKendry keeps pushing his pro Umaga agenda.

                  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12028923

                  Umaga's defenders will say that he hasn't become a bad coach over the past three months, and, for what it's worth, I agree. It's the inconsistency which hurts the team on the field and their supporters off it, and it's difficult to see how a new coach next year will help with that, even should the Blues find someone suitably qualified at this stage. 
                  
                  The likelihood is that Umaga will stay, and that wouldn't be a bad thing in my view. There may be changes in terms of structure or even support personnel next season, but the knowledge that Umaga has gained while with the franchise shouldn't be thrown out.
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                    I would ring the changes against the Sunwolves and introduce a few new players. I'd like to see a backrow with Sotutu, Ioane and Papaali'i, and maybe Lindenmuth at loosehead. Outside, Tumua Manu looks promising. He could be an upgrade to TJF. Hyland is another possibility though I don't see Duffie being dropped.

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                      Would be interesting to see how Isaac Salmon goes.

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                        Would be interesting to see how Isaac Salmon goes.

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                        @tim To play Salmon might be Tana's greatest gaffe!

                        He's as green as grass.

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                          I would ring the changes against the Sunwolves and introduce a few new players. I'd like to see a backrow with Sotutu, Ioane and Papaali'i, and maybe Lindenmuth at loosehead. Outside, Tumua Manu looks promising. He could be an upgrade to TJF. Hyland is another possibility though I don't see Duffie being dropped.

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                          @cgrant Agreed on this. Blues will also have to balance ABs potentially being rested - Ofa and Duffie have been rested 1 week out of their 2, the Ioanes none. You'd think this would probably have been a match they would have identified as one to use to rest players.

                          I agree with you on the players that should be brought in (I'd seriously look at giving Havilii a run too in the loose forwards) but whats the bet Tana brings in players like Kirikiri/Preston/Trainor etc...

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                            I would ring the changes against the Sunwolves and introduce a few new players. I'd like to see a backrow with Sotutu, Ioane and Papaali'i, and maybe Lindenmuth at loosehead. Outside, Tumua Manu looks promising. He could be an upgrade to TJF. Hyland is another possibility though I don't see Duffie being dropped.

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                            @cgrant

                            I like those suggestions. However I think Umaga is in a position where he needs to run up a score. I suspect it will be almost a full strength side.

                            Hopefully the Ioanes don't play 80mins again. The Blues need to manage their workload better

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                              I would ring the changes against the Sunwolves and introduce a few new players. I'd like to see a backrow with Sotutu, Ioane and Papaali'i, and maybe Lindenmuth at loosehead. Outside, Tumua Manu looks promising. He could be an upgrade to TJF. Hyland is another possibility though I don't see Duffie being dropped.

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                              @cgrant said in Blues 2018:

                              I would ring the changes against the Sunwolves

                              No reason not to now.

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                                http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12029681

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                                  I just saw on the TV news that the Blues have called in a few injury replacements for training. Amongst them is Tyler Campbell, the Waikato 1st 5/fullback.

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                                    http://theblues.co.nz/japan-a-visit-on-tour-of-nz/

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                                      From an article on stuff
                                      stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/103041165/super-rugby-five-things-to-look-out-for-this-weekend

                                      What happens if the Blues beat the Sunwolves in Tokyo?
                                      
                                      It would insult no-one's intelligence to say the Blues should win this match on Saturday, and by a handsome margin, to extend the Sunwolves' winless run in 2018.
                                      
                                      But so what if they do? What does it really mean?
                                      
                                      The reality is the Blues are placed second-last heading into this round, their play-off hopes pirouetting at the end of a frayed rope. There's a danger a bonus-point win at Prince Chichibu Memorial Stadium would divert attention from the real issue, which is whether this team is simply in a holding pattern.
                                      
                                      If that's the case, it's hardly good enough. Blues chairman Tony Carter and his board members have some decisions to make. Super Rugby teams are like any other business, they like to plan ahead. It's paramount they prove to their players that their organisation is doing the best for them. Which, in turn, puts the heat on Carter and co to decide whether to offer coach Tana Umaga a contract extension, or to go to the market and seek alternatives.
                                      
                                      And do NZ Rugby have a role to play in trying to blow life some back into the Blues, a club that hasn't made the playoffs since Pat Lam guided them to fourth place in 2011? Any assistance would be appreciated, surely. This story isn't over by a long shot.
                                      
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                                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/103083868/super-rugbys-standout-kiwi-respect-for-the-aussies-and-other-burning-questions

                                        We've covered this before, but it's worth a revisit given the Blues' ongoing shortcomings. Should the Auckland underachievers renew or tear up Tana Umaga's contract which is about to run out?

                                        Hinton: They should definitely not renew, put it that way. My advice would be wait and see. If the Blues continue to lose regularly and show no signs of coming together into something resembling a competitive rugby team, then I don't see how they can bring him back. I love Tana, and he was one of my favourite All Blacks, but it's hard not to see, as a young coach, that this might be beyond even his scope. It would not be terminal for his career either. Remember Joe Schmidt was a young assistant coach at the Blues from 2004-07, and didn't turn out too bad.
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                                        Bidwell: They should never have hired him and, in real professional sport, he'd be gone by now. Because it's rugby, we limp along to the end of the season. And then some, probably. These are the Blues; they're really not a particularly impressive organisation. So having appointed Umaga, and John Kirwan before him, you imagine they will probably extend him. Umaga might turn out to be a fine coach and he didn't hire himself. But it's hard to see how he's the man for this job at this time.

                                        Van Royen: Waiting to see if the franchise can dig themselves out of a mighty hole first is surely the only option. It would be staggering if chief executive Michael Redman put a contract in front of him before then.

                                        Cully: A tricky one. It's not just whether Umaga gets a new contract, it's how it is structured. Perhaps the best option is to give him a two-year extension with some performance clauses in the Blues' favour should it not work out again. There are some big names possibly coming back to NZ in 2020.

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                                          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/super-rugby-team-week-round-8

                                          Akira Ioane (Blues) must be mentioned for his supreme defensive showing against the Chiefs, where he made 19 tackles and won two turnovers for his team.

                                          Should he decide to stay in Japan for another two years and complete the required residency tenure, Michael Little would be a valuable asset to the Japanese national team, as his showings for the Sunwolves this season are beginning to prove. The former Blues midfielder has been a constant attacking weapon for the Sunwolves in 2018, and while they went down 50-29 against the Waratahs over the weekend, Little didn’t go down wondering what could have been. The diminutive second-five carried the ball 15 times to chalk up an incredible 132 metres from a trio of clean breaks. His ability to weave his way through and around defences proved to be hugely profitable for his side, as the 25-year- old scored one try and assisted two others. A solitary turnover won for the Japanese outfit capped off a sensational display for Little.

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