Gold Coast Comm Games
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@bovidae said in Gold Coast Comm Games:
Both have displayed that win-at-all costs attitude that we begrudgingly admire from Aust sportspeople.
I don't admire that. Sure winning is great, but not at all costs. A few Aussie cricketers understand that now I think.
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@snowy different sports have differing levels of etiquette and self policing, which probably drives some of the 'win at all cost' mentality?
Prime example would be Cricket (team) v Golf (individual)...how often has a player been out, but not walked, whereas I have seen players in golf, call a shot on themselves the camera hasn't picked up, and one instance, it cost a guy a win.
There are so many opportunities in golf to 'cheat' but just through how the game is played, means you don't (well the vast majority don't)
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@taniwharugby Sure there are different levels - but I don't admire winning at all costs.
The athlete has to make that call depending on the circumstances. I personally remain silent when another player is taking a shot in golf, it isn't against the rules to do otherwise. For me there is a greater cost to my integrity than the price of losing.
Some might call it a "line".
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@snowy silence when taking a shot, not standing directly in their line etc...rarely have I ever seen anyone break those 'etiquette rules' (particularly deliberately) there are some, but usually someone will point it out, and usually these are newbies to the sport.
I grew up playing on a golf course with fences around the greens to stop sheep going on, but I still learnt the finer details of etiquette...
If there was an expectation for Cooper to stop for Gaze, then I can understand why he is pissed, but then if Cooper had stopped, would Gaze have still win?
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@taniwharugby My understanding is that there is no expectation for Cooper to stop. Gaze just let himself down with comments afterwards even though he won.
The point remains that that I don't admire a win at at all costs attitude as stated above.
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@snowy win at all costs in a discipline like shooting or archery would not be ideal...
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@taniwharugby said in Gold Coast Comm Games:
@snowy win at all costs in a discipline like shooting or archery would not be ideal...
There is definitely a "line" there.
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@no-quarter It's not that. It's the picture of Gaze flipping Cooper off as his bike was getting fixed that has flown around the world.
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@mokey although TBF I can understand that emotional moment more than his reaction afterwards.
IN the heat of the moment he has expected (right or wrong) he would stop too, but didn't, so thought F-You and flipped the bird...if he had been sweet after the race, I expect less woudla been made of that moment, which is what he will be remembered for.
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I'm not sure why Gaze would have the expectation if it's not in the etiquette of the sport, AND the two have a history of conflict. But I don't ever want to see men wearing the silver fern flipping each other off in competition. Gaze acted like a brat, then made it worse by being an ugly winner. However, he apologised, good on him for that, here's hoping both of them grow up a bit and realise there are always cameras ready to take an embarrassing shot. Because that's what happens in the big time.
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@taniwharugby said in Gold Coast Comm Games:
IN the heat of the moment he has expected (right or wrong) he would stop too, but didn't, so thought F-You and flipped the bird...if he had been sweet after the race, I expect less woudla been made of that moment, which is what he will be remembered for.
It is fantastic marketing by Gaze. Everyone knows who he is now.
One of the good things about Comm. Games etc is that the athletes' comments haven't been sanitized by endless media training, so they may actually be worth listening to.
And so we end up with Ben Fouhy, the Robertson bros, Nick Willis and now Sam Gaze.
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@mokey but why did he expect the other to stop, as his reaction would suggest he did, regardless of the sports etiquette? This is the root cause of the whole thing...
Did these 2 come 1/2 in the last comm games too, think I heard that this morning, yet I knew neither before this event, well even then, just the post race shit.
Also agree, comes across like a childish brat post win.
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I've never seen an expectation that you don't attack because someone has a mechanical. It's not like road racing because there's no peloton, you don't have teams.
Quite frankly Gaze looked like a dick at the end rather than someone elated that he won.
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@machpants said in Gold Coast Comm Games:
Yeah I can't see why he should have waited, it's not like they are slip streaming over dozens of miles. But I only ride MB not follow them, is there often people stopping when someone blows a tyre???
never in the history of mountain biking, or one day road racing. No precedent at all.
the opposite in fact - best time to attack.
Gaze MASSIVE twat. Not just for his actions during the race, but the way he carried on after.
Getting everything he deserves.
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Gaze has had some bad luck with mechanical issues in past races like Rio so there must have been some frustration there that he thought it was happening again. But given he did so well to get back and win the gold he should have been kept his mouth shut and taken the kudos.
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