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Blues 2018

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  • Chester DrawsC Chester Draws

    @kirwan I'm not suggesting they hold onto him. He would never have started this season if I'd been the one to make the decision.

    I just think that sacking a rugby coach mid-season is not ever helpful. Which coach do you think you would get who wouldn't be there come season's end? Who do you think would be willing and able to turn them around in the time left as interim coach?

    The Ioane's can't be poached until season end, and by then will know the change is coming. We don't have mid-season transfers (mercifully).

    The situation in sports with enormous squads, easy to change systems and 9+ month seasons is very different. Rugby is not "unprofessional" simply because it doesn't copy the likes of the NBA.

    And anyway, until the board gets sorted, why do you think that a replacement made in haste will be better? My money is that Tana's replacement will be worse. Only then, having reached the joke levels of the Warriors, will people realise that doing things the old way really isn't working.

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    @chester-draws said in Blues 2018:

    @Kirwan
    I just think that sacking a rugby coach mid-season is not ever helpful. Which coach do you think you would get who wouldn't be there come season's end? Who do you think would be willing and able to turn them around in the time left as interim coach?

    The Ioane's can't be poached until season end, and by then will know the change is coming. We don't have mid-season transfers (mercifully).

    And anyway, until the board gets sorted, why do you think that a replacement made in haste will be better? My money is that Tana's replacement will be worse. Only then, having reached the joke levels of the Warriors, will people realise that doing things the old way really isn't working.

    Just on the points in bold.

    1. Easy --> you put assistant Steve Jackson in as interim coach and see what he can do. I'm sure he would be a candidate for the new job next year anyway so it gives him a chance to show his wares.

    2. I'm not sure that's correct at all - for example the Blues announced Otere Black's signing in late June last year (with the deal being hinted at in the media earlier than that). That was well before the Blues final regular season game in July in Tokyo v Sunwolves let alone the playoffs.

    3. I don't think the idea is that the decision is made in haste but rather that you get started on the decision earlier. Get started now rather than 3 months time.

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      And aren't we at Warriors joke level already?

      I really hope the board is talking to good coaches like Pivac. I can dream.

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        And aren't we at Warriors joke level already?

        I really hope the board is talking to good coaches like Pivac. I can dream.

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        @kirwan said in Blues 2018:

        And aren't we at Warriors joke level already?

        I really hope the board is talking to good coaches like Pivac. I can dream.

        The Scarlets coach, Wayne Pivac, has confirmed he has held talks with the Welsh Rugby Union with a view to replacing Warren Gatland as Wales head coach after the 2019 World Cup.
        
        Pivac’s stock has risen after he guided the Scarlets to the semi-finals of the Champions Cup – a season after winning the Pro12 – and the New Zealander, who signed a new contract with the region in October, has been sounded out by the WRU.
        

        https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/03/wales-wayne-pivac-warren-gatland-scarlets-tuilagi-england

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        Note the " a new contract with the region" bit. That refers to this:

        His new contract will see Pivac remain in West Wales until at least the end of 2019-20.
        

        http://www.wru.co.uk/eng/news/39727.php

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          I’m always hopeful of out clauses, but thanks for the info.

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            http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12034236

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              I'm guessing that Tupou and Tuipulotu will start at lock, with Papali'i at 6.

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                Faiane and Ioane in the midfield, with Leger at fullback? Or will Manu come into wing with Duffie going to 15?

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                  I'm guessing that Tupou and Tuipulotu will start at lock, with Papali'i at 6.

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                  @tim That's better than starting Neenee.

                  I'm guessing theyll bring Trainor in to the back 3 mix to cover Collins. It's not what I would do - but it's what they will do i'd say. I'd prefer either of @tim options above.

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                    @tim That's better than starting Neenee.

                    I'm guessing theyll bring Trainor in to the back 3 mix to cover Collins. It's not what I would do - but it's what they will do i'd say. I'd prefer either of @tim options above.

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                    @kiwimurph said in Blues 2018:

                    Trainor

                    He's injured too.

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                    • TimT Tim

                      @kiwimurph said in Blues 2018:

                      Trainor

                      He's injured too.

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                      @tim Good call.

                      I'm never happy to see players injured but I think it's good for the Blues that they are being forced to give youngsters some gametime to see how they go - It may not be ideal in the short term or ideal for Tana but it will be beneficial in the long run for the Blues.

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                        @tim Good call.

                        I'm never happy to see players injured but I think it's good for the Blues that they are being forced to give youngsters some gametime to see how they go - It may not be ideal in the short term or ideal for Tana but it will be beneficial in the long run for the Blues.

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                        @kiwimurph unless the new coach has a cleanout... 😉

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                          @kiwimurph unless the new coach has a cleanout... 😉

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                          @taniwharugby I'd like to think a cleanout would be of journeyman...not of talented youngsters...but given the Blues history that is probably wishful thinking!

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                            Faiane and Ioane in the midfield, with Leger at fullback? Or will Manu come into wing with Duffie going to 15?

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                            @tim said in Blues 2018:

                            Faiane and Ioane in the midfield

                            Faiane and Umaga in the midfield. Ioane to coach.

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                              Be interesting to see what sort of team the Blues field for their development team playing Japan A in the curtain raiser.

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                                Also confirmation that Gerard Cowley-Tuioti is injured too.

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                                  Blues 'A' v Japan 'A'
                                  Friday, 20 April, k/o 5.05pm @ Eden Park

                                  This game will be broadcast live on Sky Sport 1.

                                  Japan has already named it's team: https://www.rugby-japan.jp/2018/04/18/japan_a_team_for_blues_a/

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                                    Looks like Moulds will be fit to be on the bench for the Blues top team then.

                                    Malo Tuitama is an interesting get by the Blues. Was impressive for Wellington and Canes in the Brisbane 10s.

                                    http://theblues.co.nz/apisai-leads-blues-a-against-visiting-japan-a-side/

                                    The Blues A team is: 1. Ezekiel Lindenmuth (Auckland), 2. Leni Apisai (Blues) ©, 3. Isaac Salmon (Blues), 4. Danny Drake (North Harbour), 5. Jacob Pierce (Blues Replacement, North Harbour), 6. Lyndon Dunshea (Auckland), 7. Antonio Kiri Kiri (Blues Replacement, Manawatu), 8. Matt Matich (Northland); 9. Harrison Levien (Blues Replacement, North Harbour), 10. D’Angelo Leuila (Blues Replacement, Auckland), 11. Malo Tuitama (Blues Replacement, Wellington), 12. Blake Hohaia (Northland), 13. Daniel Hilton-Jones (North Harbour), 14. Mark Telea (North Harbour), 15. Tyler Campbell (Blues Replacement, Waikato).
                                    
                                    Reserves: 16. Jordan Olsen (Northland), 17. Franck Friconnet (Auckland), 18. Isi Tuungafasi (Auckland), 19. Kondo Masaki (Honda Heat), 20. Adrian Choat (Auckland), 21. Lewis Gjaltema (North Harbour), 22. Song Gi Paku (Honda Heat), 23. Scott Gregory (Northland), 24. Salesi Rayasi (Auckland), 25. Ben Sa’u (Auckland)
                                    
                                    Staff: Tom Coventry: Coach, Otere Black: Asst. Coach, Paul Gianotti: Manager, Simon Kim: Doctor, Harley Mathews: Physio, Julia Herbst: Analyst, John Ryan: Trainer.
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                                      Blake Hohaia has been named there, nice, looked sharp before breaking a bone for us in his brief appearances last year and was the best player on the park in the couple of club games I have watched recently (and one game included Tamati Tua, Josh goodhue) for Kamo

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                                        Interesting to see Eden stalwart, Franck Friconnet, in there, and that Harbour have signed Harrison Levien.

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                                          Tana on radio sport just now...would not confirm/deny if has re-signed for 2019

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