Aussie Pro Rugby
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@taniwharugby said in Aussie Rugby in general:
Has Pocock said anything (or has he been muzzled) given he was pro-Gay Marriage, and he will have (and has) to play in the same team as him....surely other players Folau plays with are at complete odds with his stance.
I think you underestimate the Islander fraternity in Aussie rugby. There seems to be a group within the Wallabies that stick/stuck pretty tight - Folau, Kepu, Kuridrani, Kerevi, Timani, Naiyaravoro, Nabuli, Palu and Tomane amongst others.
The vast majority are very religious - doing pre/post game prayer circles, writing bible verses on strapping etc.
I wonder if Pocock (or any other Wallaby) realises that a Weber-esque statement could risk alienating a fair chunk of his team-mates, who look up to Folau both on and off the field.
I think it's a reason that RA haven't come down hard on Folau, as they realise just how many of their players share his views.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
FFS man, are you just being a dick or do you really think Allardice making inappropriate comments to his teammates which are overheard by the public is similar to posting comments on social media?
Lets try a different tack on this: if people overhear/ read the same comment, explain the difference as you see it.
Can't be arsed discussing this if you think talking to your mates and sending a comment out via a public social media app is the same thing.
FFS. I give you an opportunity to explain why you see them as being different and you take the time to write a response doing anything but. The point isn't that Allardice said something to his mates, it's that the public heard it. The same public that could read Folau's bigotry.
The difference being that Allardice's comment wasn't meant to be heard by the public, while Folau's comments clearly were.
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@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
FFS man, are you just being a dick or do you really think Allardice making inappropriate comments to his teammates which are overheard by the public is similar to posting comments on social media?
Lets try a different tack on this: if people overhear/ read the same comment, explain the difference as you see it.
Can't be arsed discussing this if you think talking to your mates and sending a comment out via a public social media app is the same thing.
FFS. I give you an opportunity to explain why you see them as being different and you take the time to write a response doing anything but. The point isn't that Allardice said something to his mates, it's that the public heard it. The same public that could read Folau's bigotry.
The difference being that Allardice's comment wasn't meant to be heard by the public, while Folau's comments clearly were.
I doubt either gave much thought to the extended unintended audience.
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@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
FFS man, are you just being a dick or do you really think Allardice making inappropriate comments to his teammates which are overheard by the public is similar to posting comments on social media?
Lets try a different tack on this: if people overhear/ read the same comment, explain the difference as you see it.
Can't be arsed discussing this if you think talking to your mates and sending a comment out via a public social media app is the same thing.
FFS. I give you an opportunity to explain why you see them as being different and you take the time to write a response doing anything but. The point isn't that Allardice said something to his mates, it's that the public heard it. The same public that could read Folau's bigotry.
The difference being that Allardice's comment wasn't meant to be heard by the public, while Folau's comments clearly were.
Sweet. So be a raging homophobe with your mates, even attack any of them that are gay. All A-OK. But make a comment reciting the bible on social media and you've got hell to pay.
I'm surprised you are defending Allardice.
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@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
FFS man, are you just being a dick or do you really think Allardice making inappropriate comments to his teammates which are overheard by the public is similar to posting comments on social media?
Lets try a different tack on this: if people overhear/ read the same comment, explain the difference as you see it.
Can't be arsed discussing this if you think talking to your mates and sending a comment out via a public social media app is the same thing.
FFS. I give you an opportunity to explain why you see them as being different and you take the time to write a response doing anything but. The point isn't that Allardice said something to his mates, it's that the public heard it. The same public that could read Folau's bigotry.
The difference being that Allardice's comment wasn't meant to be heard by the public, while Folau's comments clearly were.
Sweet. So be a raging homophobe with your mates, even attack any of them that are gay. All A-OK. But make a comment reciting the bible on social media and you've got hell to pay.
I'm surprised you are defending Allardice.
Where did I say that it's all okay? And where did I defend Allardice? Oh, right, I didn't!
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@barbarian never got the impression Pocock cared greatly about what people thought of him, but felt strongly about expressing his opinions on what he believed in...
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@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
FFS man, are you just being a dick or do you really think Allardice making inappropriate comments to his teammates which are overheard by the public is similar to posting comments on social media?
Lets try a different tack on this: if people overhear/ read the same comment, explain the difference as you see it.
Can't be arsed discussing this if you think talking to your mates and sending a comment out via a public social media app is the same thing.
FFS. I give you an opportunity to explain why you see them as being different and you take the time to write a response doing anything but. The point isn't that Allardice said something to his mates, it's that the public heard it. The same public that could read Folau's bigotry.
The difference being that Allardice's comment wasn't meant to be heard by the public, while Folau's comments clearly were.
Sweet. So be a raging homophobe with your mates, even attack any of them that are gay. All A-OK. But make a comment reciting the bible on social media and you've got hell to pay.
I'm surprised you are defending Allardice.
Where did I say that it's all okay? And where did I defend Allardice? Oh, right, I didn't!
You say that Weber is not virtue signaling despite the obvious difference in the way he handled both events. And to back that up, your saying that the reason he didn't take a big virtuous public stance over Allardace is because Allardice's words were not meant to be overheard, whereas Folau recited a verse from the bible on social media.
Did I get that right? So only take a public stance if someone is displaying homophobic behaviour on social media, but not if they do it in other parts of life despite it being overheard and widely reported?
Edit - and don't try and tell me Weber couldn't send Folau a private message. That's absurd.
Edit #2 - anyway my point was that Weber's comments are clearly just bullshit virtue signaling, and it took about 5 minutes for someone to unearth his hypocrisy. Not worth debating that any further as it's more just an opinion.
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@taniwharugby Yeah but I think he's smart enough to realise what it all means for his playing career and for internal team dynamics.
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@barbarian and possibly had a word from higher up I expect....ARU higher up, not the big ones at the very top of their belief structure
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I wonder if Pocock (or any other Wallaby) realises that a Weber-esque statement could risk alienating a fair chunk of his team-mates, who look up to Folau both on and off the field.
I was wondering if Weber had thought about that?
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@unite Yeah so did I. You'd have to think Folau's views would be shared by a few Chiefs as well.
Highly likely you would expect.
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@unite Maybe I'm naieve, but I'd hope that Weber's team mates - even if they agree with Folau's opinions - would have the understanding that expressing those opinions the way Folau did can be hurtful to others, like Weber. And that hurt caused by statements like Folau's, can lead to an (emotional) reaction such as Weber's.
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@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@unite Maybe I'm naieve, but I'd hope that Weber's team mates - even if they agree with Folau's opinions - would have the understanding that expressing those opinions the way Folau did can be hurtful to others, like Weber. And that hurt caused by statements like Folau's, can lead to an (emotional) reaction such as Weber's.
Do you think Weber's comments - being disgusted by having to play rugby with people that have differing religious beliefs - could cause hurt?
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@no-quarter not sure it is as simple as being disgusted with differing religious beliefs, Folau has expressed a rather more extreme religious belief (isn't Pocock deeply religious too?)
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@no-quarter He didn't say he was disgusted by having to play rugby with people that have differing religious beliefs. He said he was disgusted by having to play rugby with someone who says people he (Weber) cares about go to hell for being gay.
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@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter He didn't say he was disgusted by having to play rugby with people that have differing religious beliefs. He said he was disgusted by having to play rugby with someone who says people he (Weber) cares about go to hell for being gay.
Huh? Folau quoted a verse from the bible to answer the question, which states gay people will be judged by God. It doesn't get any more religious than that.
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@taniwharugby said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter not sure it is as simple as being disgusted with differing religious beliefs, Folau has expressed a rather more extreme religious belief (isn't Pocock deeply religious too?)
How do you define extreme? That belief is widely held among Christians, and even more so among Muslims. Not saying it's right, in fact I strongly disagree with them, but it's not exactly restricted to a fringe element of people.
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I don't see the issue with any of this. Falou said what he thinks, Weber said what he thinks. Both are right to do so. I would draw the line at either getting punished of silenced. And especially sponsors withdrawing. But as it stands currently... meh
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@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter He didn't say he was disgusted by having to play rugby with people that have differing religious beliefs. He said he was disgusted by having to play rugby with someone who says people he (Weber) cares about go to hell for being gay.
Huh? Folau quoted a verse from the bible to answer the question, which states gay people will be judged by God. It doesn't get any more religious than that.
Apparently you have a problem reading, so I'll quote Weber's tweet again:
My cousin and her partner, and my Aunty and her partner are some of the most kind, caring & loving people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. To think that I play against someone that says they'll go to Hell for being gay disgusts me.
Nowhere, he's saying that he's disgusted by having to play rugby with people with beliefs that differ from his (whether those beliefs are religious or not).
