Blues 2018
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@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan said in Blues 2018:
Blake Gibson has been consistently good for years, not sure what Nepia has been watching.
He’s been a huge loss for us this year. Pryor is fine, but more a bench player and prone to silly penalties.
I've been watching the same Blues games you have (probably not seen as many Auckland NPC games though), I'm not saying he's been crap (when he's been on the field) but I haven't seen a level of play that meets the hype of when he came through - and you Aucklanders are telling yourselves porkies if you don't think he's been hyped.
I hope he does meet that hype, Todd is getting on a bit so it would be nice to have him to go with Cane and Hunt.
You keep using that word hype, I don’t think it means what you think it means....
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@kirwan Gave you the like for The Princess Bride reference, but Gibson was hyped something shocking on here, not quite to the levels of Robbie Robinson is the best 10 in Cruden's under 20s year, but close.
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan Gave you the like for The Princess Bride reference, but Gibson was hyped something shocking on here, not quite to the levels of Robbie Robinson is the best 10 in Cruden's under 20s year, but close.
No he wasn’t, you are just making stuff up now.
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@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan Gave you the like for The Princess Bride reference, but Gibson was hyped something shocking on here, not quite to the levels of Robbie Robinson is the best 10 in Cruden's under 20s year, but close.
No he wasn’t, you are just making stuff up now.
@kirwan said in Blues 2018:
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan Gave you the like for The Princess Bride reference, but Gibson was hyped something shocking on here, not quite to the levels of Robbie Robinson is the best 10 in Cruden's under 20s year, but close.
No he wasn’t, you are just making stuff up now.
Bollocks, every young potentially star player gets hyped on here, pretending Gibson didn't get hyped is flat earth stuff.
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@kirwan said in Blues 2018:
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan Gave you the like for The Princess Bride reference, but Gibson was hyped something shocking on here, not quite to the levels of Robbie Robinson is the best 10 in Cruden's under 20s year, but close.
No he wasn’t, you are just making stuff up now.
Bollocks, every young potentially star player gets hyped on here, pretending Gibson didn't get hyped is flat earth stuff.
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan said in Blues 2018:
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan Gave you the like for The Princess Bride reference, but Gibson was hyped something shocking on here, not quite to the levels of Robbie Robinson is the best 10 in Cruden's under 20s year, but close.
No he wasn’t, you are just making stuff up now.
Bollocks, every young potentially star player gets hyped on here, pretending Gibson didn't get hyped is flat earth stuff.
Wait so he has been hyped the same as every other young potentially star player? Wouldnt that indicate he hasnt been placed above those others? And if every young potentially star player gets hyped why are you singling him out?
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@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan said in Blues 2018:
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan Gave you the like for The Princess Bride reference, but Gibson was hyped something shocking on here, not quite to the levels of Robbie Robinson is the best 10 in Cruden's under 20s year, but close.
No he wasn’t, you are just making stuff up now.
Bollocks, every young potentially star player gets hyped on here, pretending Gibson didn't get hyped is flat earth stuff.
Wait so he has been hyped the same as every other young potentially star player? Wouldnt that indicate he hasnt been placed above those others? And if every young potentially star player gets hyped why are you singling him out?
@kiwimurph said in Blues 2018:
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan said in Blues 2018:
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan Gave you the like for The Princess Bride reference, but Gibson was hyped something shocking on here, not quite to the levels of Robbie Robinson is the best 10 in Cruden's under 20s year, but close.
No he wasn’t, you are just making stuff up now.
Bollocks, every young potentially star player gets hyped on here, pretending Gibson didn't get hyped is flat earth stuff.
Wait so he has hyped the same as every other young potentially star player? Wouldnt that indicate he hasnt been placed above those others? And if every young potentially star player gets hyped why are you singling him out?
Apparently he was never ever hyped.
He's getting singled out because he's being discussed as @Steven-Harris brought him up and I said I'd like to see him play more (and not be injured) as I feel he's been hyped. Then I made a joke about him being injured as much as Ngatai. Then all you Aucklanders circled the wagons.
As I said previously in this thread I want him to reach the hype ... not being injured would help.
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@kiwimurph said in Blues 2018:
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan said in Blues 2018:
@nepia said in Blues 2018:
@kirwan Gave you the like for The Princess Bride reference, but Gibson was hyped something shocking on here, not quite to the levels of Robbie Robinson is the best 10 in Cruden's under 20s year, but close.
No he wasn’t, you are just making stuff up now.
Bollocks, every young potentially star player gets hyped on here, pretending Gibson didn't get hyped is flat earth stuff.
Wait so he has hyped the same as every other young potentially star player? Wouldnt that indicate he hasnt been placed above those others? And if every young potentially star player gets hyped why are you singling him out?
Apparently he was never ever hyped.
He's getting singled out because he's being discussed as @Steven-Harris brought him up and I said I'd like to see him play more (and not be injured) as I feel he's been hyped. Then I made a joke about him being injured as much as Ngatai. Then all you Aucklanders circled the wagons.
As I said previously in this thread I want him to reach the hype ... not being injured would help.
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@pakman said in Blues 2018:
Transvaal
Digressing.
But Transvaal are not traditionally the strongest Bok province. Northern Transvaal and Western Province far and away the top two (equivalent of Auckland and Canterbury).
Transvaal more like Wellington. The traditional big under achiever.
@rapido said in Blues 2018:
@pakman said in Blues 2018:
Transvaal
Digressing.
But Transvaal are not traditionally the strongest Bok province. Northern Transvaal and Western Province far and away the top two (equivalent of Auckland and Canterbury).
Transvaal more like Wellington. The traditional big under achiever.
Fair comment, more like third of the big three. But the point is that Lions have really got their shit sorted in last two or three years -- what changed?
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@rapido said in Blues 2018:
@pakman said in Blues 2018:
Transvaal
Digressing.
But Transvaal are not traditionally the strongest Bok province. Northern Transvaal and Western Province far and away the top two (equivalent of Auckland and Canterbury).
Transvaal more like Wellington. The traditional big under achiever.
Fair comment, more like third of the big three. But the point is that Lions have really got their shit sorted in last two or three years -- what changed?
@pakman said in Blues 2018:
Fair comment, more like third of the big three. But the point is that Lions have really got their shit sorted in last two or three years -- what changed?
This guy was instrumental in getting the Golden Lions back as a Currie Cup powerhouse and the Lions success flowed on from there.
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@pakman said in Blues 2018:
Fair comment, more like third of the big three. But the point is that Lions have really got their shit sorted in last two or three years -- what changed?
This guy was instrumental in getting the Golden Lions back as a Currie Cup powerhouse and the Lions success flowed on from there.
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Speaking of coaches
Sadly I can't say i'm surprised. A joke organisation making another joke decision. More of the same.
Meanwhile the NZRU position is in all of this - they seem to be twiddling their thumbs while the franchise in their largest market has gone to the dogs.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12038399
The Blues have given a strong indication that Tana Umaga will be reappointed in the coming weeks. With the franchise under major pressure, having lost six of their eight games this season, Blues chief executive Michael Redman fronted media this morning. Redman said the franchise's preference is to work with the current management team. No contracts have been signed but it seems Umaga will soon be reappointed head coach. -
Speaking of coaches
Sadly I can't say i'm surprised. A joke organisation making another joke decision. More of the same.
Meanwhile the NZRU position is in all of this - they seem to be twiddling their thumbs while the franchise in their largest market has gone to the dogs.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12038399
The Blues have given a strong indication that Tana Umaga will be reappointed in the coming weeks. With the franchise under major pressure, having lost six of their eight games this season, Blues chief executive Michael Redman fronted media this morning. Redman said the franchise's preference is to work with the current management team. No contracts have been signed but it seems Umaga will soon be reappointed head coach.@kiwimurph I just googled Redman to see where he came from and the first item in the search list...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/9192941/Blues-will-live-to-regret-hiring-ex-HCC-boss
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Here's part of Redman's press conference
Nice to here Andrew Saville ask some tough questions - at least someone in the media is!
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Here's part of Redman's press conference
Nice to here Andrew Saville ask some tough questions - at least someone in the media is!
@kiwimurph said in Blues 2018:
Nice to here Andrew Saville ask some tough questions - at least someone in the media is!
There's a few people starting to do it. You just won't find them at Sky or the NZH. The Herald reporters are unprofessional sycophants who are doing their readers a disservice. I have more sympathy for the talking heads at Sky as the majority of them played with Umaga and have personal loyalties.
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Comments on that press conference..
Redman is an deeply unimpressive individual. No wonder nothing gets fixed. Sack him first.
It sounds like they are going to blame the other coaches but keep Umaga as a figure head. So who appointed those coaches? What input did Tana have in picking those coaches. If those coaches deserve the blame surely the people that appointed them should fuck off too? Is the board ever responsible for anything?
Excuse after excuse from Redman, the same lack of responsibility that is shown by Umaga. That lack of accountability starts at the top and flows all the way down to the players. The Blues shitness is just something external that happens to the team. No one in the organisation has any power to fix it. It's always and complex and external situation. Fucken gutless fluffybunnies the lot of them.
Whats with this myth that the Blues constantly change coaches?? Three coaches in the last decade (4 years, 3 years, 3 years so far). Bullshit.
On a positive note at least the NZRU still has a major say. They should be extremely concerned about the damage the Blues are doing to rugby in the region. The timing of the Warriors form turnaround and great crowds will be adding extra pressure.
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Comments on that press conference..
Redman is an deeply unimpressive individual. No wonder nothing gets fixed. Sack him first.
It sounds like they are going to blame the other coaches but keep Umaga as a figure head. So who appointed those coaches? What input did Tana have in picking those coaches. If those coaches deserve the blame surely the people that appointed them should fuck off too? Is the board ever responsible for anything?
Excuse after excuse from Redman, the same lack of responsibility that is shown by Umaga. That lack of accountability starts at the top and flows all the way down to the players. The Blues shitness is just something external that happens to the team. No one in the organisation has any power to fix it. It's always and complex and external situation. Fucken gutless fluffybunnies the lot of them.
Whats with this myth that the Blues constantly change coaches?? Three coaches in the last decade (4 years, 3 years, 3 years so far). Bullshit.
On a positive note at least the NZRU still has a major say. They should be extremely concerned about the damage the Blues are doing to rugby in the region. The timing of the Warriors form turnaround and great crowds will be adding extra pressure.
The NZRU can't rely on this incompetent board that refuses any responsibility to fix professional rugby in the most populous region.@duluth said in Blues 2018:
On a positive note at least the NZRU still has a major say. They should be extremely concerned about the damage the Blues are doing to rugby in the region. The timing of the Warriors form turnaround and great crowds will be adding extra pressure.
The NZRU can't rely on this incompetent board that refuses any responsibility to fix professional rugby in the most populous region.I don't have much faith in the NZRU. They've done fuck all to help up til now and if the comments in the press conference are anything to go by they want Tana retained.
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@duluth said in Blues 2018:
On a positive note at least the NZRU still has a major say. They should be extremely concerned about the damage the Blues are doing to rugby in the region. The timing of the Warriors form turnaround and great crowds will be adding extra pressure.
The NZRU can't rely on this incompetent board that refuses any responsibility to fix professional rugby in the most populous region.I don't have much faith in the NZRU. They've done fuck all to help up til now and if the comments in the press conference are anything to go by they want Tana retained.
@kiwimurph said in Blues 2018:
I don't have much faith in the NZRU
Same, but I have more faith in them than I do in the Blues
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@duluth said in Blues 2018:
On a positive note at least the NZRU still has a major say. They should be extremely concerned about the damage the Blues are doing to rugby in the region. The timing of the Warriors form turnaround and great crowds will be adding extra pressure.
The NZRU can't rely on this incompetent board that refuses any responsibility to fix professional rugby in the most populous region.I don't have much faith in the NZRU. They've done fuck all to help up til now and if the comments in the press conference are anything to go by they want Tana retained.
@kiwimurph it is an odd conundrum really, NZR are usually so good at sorting out issues internally and forging a path to success, yet the Blues seem to be lurching from bad to worse with little or no intervention from NZR...have to doubt NZR would be doing stuff on the quiet.
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If Umaga is re-signed then surely the sensible option is a 1-year extension with the caveat that only a playoff spot will guarantee further employment. Otherwise, you're out the door. That also bridges the gap to have a run for Gatland if there is no on-field improvement.
