Hurricanes v Lions
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I really don't see how Ardie is still in consideration either. Time to move on. He's bloody lazy on defence and just an absolute glory hunter. He's only there if it's "on".
@bones said in Hurricanes v Lions:
I really don't see how Ardie is still in consideration either. Time to move on. He's bloody lazy on defence and just an absolute glory hunter. He's only there if it's "on".
I'm expecting that they'll pick six loose forwards - though it's possible that they'd pick five or even seven if they decided to pick Fifita as the fourth locking option. But assuming it's six, then the only absolute cast iron certainty is Sam Cane - though they'll pick the other five from six (maybe seven) contenders.
I think Fifita is highly likely, especially since he played the last couple of tests. Squire should get picked as long as he's fit and has a game or two under his belt.
If you assume those three, then I'd choose Todd, Ioane and Whitelock - and that would be two each of openside, blindside and No. 8 - with a fair bit of crossover utility.
Other contenders would include Ardie and Taufua and just maybe Frizzell, but I think it's too early for him. Might be someone else I'm overlooking? Ardie's realistically the only one with much shot of pushing out one of these six - if he would get picked ahead of Todd, or if the selectors really wanted his test experience on the bench.
However, if Squire isn't fit (and I am correct), it becomes a lot more interesting. To retain the balance, you'd theoretically pick another 8/6, which should be Taufua or Frizzell (or someone else) ahead of Ardie.
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@wairau Someone has gone to some significant effort with that, but to be honest it shows me bugger all.
The first seven frames are all lead up work.
What's important is how we get from frame seven (with Marx's left leg being lifted) to frame nine where he's (presumably) lying there injured.
Frame 8 shows someone's leg sticking out at a strange angle. To be honest I'm wondering how the hell Ardie managed to get Marx's legs there - if indeed they're Marx's.
But more I'm wondering why the guy who compiled this didn't expend his efforts between frames 7 and 9!
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@wairau Someone has gone to some significant effort with that, but to be honest it shows me bugger all.
The first seven frames are all lead up work.
What's important is how we get from frame seven (with Marx's left leg being lifted) to frame nine where he's (presumably) lying there injured.
Frame 8 shows someone's leg sticking out at a strange angle. To be honest I'm wondering how the hell Ardie managed to get Marx's legs there - if indeed they're Marx's.
But more I'm wondering why the guy who compiled this didn't expend his efforts between frames 7 and 9!
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@wairau Someone has gone to some significant effort with that, but to be honest it shows me bugger all.
The first seven frames are all lead up work.
What's important is how we get from frame seven (with Marx's left leg being lifted) to frame nine where he's (presumably) lying there injured.
Frame 8 shows someone's leg sticking out at a strange angle. To be honest I'm wondering how the hell Ardie managed to get Marx's legs there - if indeed they're Marx's.
But more I'm wondering why the guy who compiled this didn't expend his efforts between frames 7 and 9!
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Red lines are fine but I far prefer arrows otherwise I don't know what I'm meant to be looking at.
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lol at the comediennes above
Yeah, not pretty, sorry, if I have time I will revert. Till then, it's sufficient. Took all of 2 minutes to make. The lines point out the 2 protagonists. Yes, 1 is Marx's leg sticking straight up. For me, dangerous, perhaps yellow card or citing. Others? I googled Marky Marx and pro-writers are blaming him being exhausted for the injury-they're blind-but no one replayed the incident. -
all the people talking about frame by frame on Moody -so I spent a few minutes revisiting this video. I am interested in other's opinions about fair punishment for Savea. Too late, I know, but just for the debate.
To avoid mess/page confusion, I deleted the earlier images...
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@Wairau Im unsure what you are claiming.
It wasn't a lift nor was it a neck roll. What was the illegality? Savea held Marx and went to round. Marx looks to have eventually gone off his feet and rolled over the ruck. His injury was caused by trying to stay up with one leg planted while his body was being pulled elsewhere.
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Well, I am not sure if it is illegal-seems very dangerous and directly caused an injury, I am seeking other's opinions. Savea has tackled him. Not lifted him per se, but has in effect tipped him and purposefully caused him to do a somersault and dangerously dumped him on his head.
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I think I said dumped on his head, landed on his back. Picture 4 shows him heading down (then camera zooms out). Picture 5 shows he has completely flipped over. I can show the inbetweens, but logically they show him flipped upside down-from a distance. Would you like to see that?
@crucial I actually slowed down my video, to allow me to go frame by frame, and it is a neck roll. Lam is on the other side of Marx and Savea. Both Lam and Savea grab Marx around the neck and the added weight of Lam helps tip Marx downwards to the side, then Savea lifts him up and completes the flip over, onto his head and back. Clear.
@crucial said in Hurricanes v Lions:
If I was defending a citing here I would be arguing that injury was caused by Marx fighting against the tackle. It was an accident.
and you would be wrong....
Edit: Marx is out of the series Boks Vs England, which is a shame.
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@Wairau Im unsure what you are claiming.
It wasn't a lift nor was it a neck roll. What was the illegality? Savea held Marx and went to round. Marx looks to have eventually gone off his feet and rolled over the ruck. His injury was caused by trying to stay up with one leg planted while his body was being pulled elsewhere.
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I think I said dumped on his head, landed on his back. Picture 4 shows him heading down (then camera zooms out). Picture 5 shows he has completely flipped over. I can show the inbetweens, but logically they show him flipped upside down-from a distance. Would you like to see that?
@crucial I actually slowed down my video, to allow me to go frame by frame, and it is a neck roll. Lam is on the other side of Marx and Savea. Both Lam and Savea grab Marx around the neck and the added weight of Lam helps tip Marx downwards to the side, then Savea lifts him up and completes the flip over, onto his head and back. Clear.
@crucial said in Hurricanes v Lions:
If I was defending a citing here I would be arguing that injury was caused by Marx fighting against the tackle. It was an accident.
and you would be wrong....
Edit: Marx is out of the series Boks Vs England, which is a shame.
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@rebound Agree on pts 1-3, disagree on 4. Dangerous tackles get punished all the time, as they should.
You are making a blanket generalization but I am making specific points about this tackle. 1. Everyone missed it. 2. It was needlessly dangerous and perhaps should have been cited. 3. If this had happened to Ben Smith in a test against South Africa, and caused similar injury, plenty of people would be condemning the tackle, and dangerous back flip.
Shades of a certain tackle in a Lions test....
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I've gone back to my recorded game. Yeah there is no punishment required as nothing was illegal. It's legal to roll someone off the ruck, sadly this time it resulted in an injury. It was neither a neck roll nor a spear tackle, he did not get upside down like BoD. If people were cited every time they caused an injury, there be no one left to play. Just bad luck.
