NBA Season 2017/18
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Just saw the trailer dropping next year a MJ 30 from 30 called 'The Last Dance'
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Question: Who is the GOAT? Probably deserves its own thread but there are too few people on the fern that take more than a passing interest in the NBA.
Arguments for MJ, Kobe or Lebron......and go!
@raznomore Lebron for me, longevity and consistency and all-round game. MJ retired, played baseball, d1cked around and then went to the wizards. Kobe was amazing but less well-rounded and was second fiddle to Shaq for his first 3 rings. Yes I know Lebron had Bosh/Wade at Miami but he was still the undisputed leader and go-to guy on all his teams.
Not directly basketball related but I really admire how LBJ is off the court, married his high school sweetheart, had a kid at 18, generally kept it all together despite crazy amounts of fame and money from an early age. Plenty of other people would've gone full Tristan Thompson at some point..
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Bill Russell - 11 rings in 13 years including the last 2 as player/coach.
I'd go LBJ as well. I'm sure many would choose MJ, and while he was 6 for 6 with the Bulls, his teams didn't even make the finals in 9 other seasons. Lebron has taken some average teams to the finals when they had no business being there.
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Brian Scalabrine. GOAT end of!
@magpie_in_aus white mamba!!
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Brian Scalabrine. GOAT end of!
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@raznomore Lebron for me, longevity and consistency and all-round game. MJ retired, played baseball, d1cked around and then went to the wizards. Kobe was amazing but less well-rounded and was second fiddle to Shaq for his first 3 rings. Yes I know Lebron had Bosh/Wade at Miami but he was still the undisputed leader and go-to guy on all his teams.
Not directly basketball related but I really admire how LBJ is off the court, married his high school sweetheart, had a kid at 18, generally kept it all together despite crazy amounts of fame and money from an early age. Plenty of other people would've gone full Tristan Thompson at some point..
@tewaio by dicking around after baseball you mean won some ships???
I totally get the Lebron love. He's amazing and probably the best all round athlete that has played the game. But he aint the
. Lebron is one of the worst flop artists in the NBA and this shit counts against him. In an era where less physicality is allowed hes walking around like hes broken his back from minimal contact. Also Its a contentious issue, playing out right now as well, but Lebron does not consistently evelvate the ability of those players around him. This season, at the beginning, the Cavs were still a high quality team after losing Irving. Not a super team but very high quality. The pieces didnt fit and trades were made. Hes having to put it all in his back and no one is going with him. This was a team that could win but they aren't, he is. You can totally argue that these 2 aspects of his overall persona should not detract from his claim to the throne. I think they do.Kobe was an MJ clone and thats not an insult. You can not really put him in the conversation for
because there were times when he was in his prime that he was not the best player on his team. He had the 80 game and "mamba out" and countless "Kobe" moments. It took me a long time to appreciate him and Im only just coming round to Lebron. Being an MJ fanboy can make you a bitter, bitter fluffybunny. to the point of ignoring amazing ability for fear your idol may be eclipsed.That said if i was to have any player, play to save my life there is only one guy I would choose and its not White Mamba. Jordan had intangibles. Not just a desire to win and the ability to try an do so at all costs but the will to make it happen no matter what. You cant ignore that for the first half of his career it was a title free and Lebron was dragging his teams to the play offs from day one. Jordan was also an axe murderer posing an a basketball player. He was/is an amazing asshole when he wants to be as Steve Kerr can confirm. I saw him compared to Ty Cobb once and that is saying something. But again if I have to have one player play for my life he is the only one. He would win against Lebron, yes he would, and he would most certainly beat Kobe.
Im 39 tbough so whatever...
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@tewaio by dicking around after baseball you mean won some ships???
I totally get the Lebron love. He's amazing and probably the best all round athlete that has played the game. But he aint the
. Lebron is one of the worst flop artists in the NBA and this shit counts against him. In an era where less physicality is allowed hes walking around like hes broken his back from minimal contact. Also Its a contentious issue, playing out right now as well, but Lebron does not consistently evelvate the ability of those players around him. This season, at the beginning, the Cavs were still a high quality team after losing Irving. Not a super team but very high quality. The pieces didnt fit and trades were made. Hes having to put it all in his back and no one is going with him. This was a team that could win but they aren't, he is. You can totally argue that these 2 aspects of his overall persona should not detract from his claim to the throne. I think they do.Kobe was an MJ clone and thats not an insult. You can not really put him in the conversation for
because there were times when he was in his prime that he was not the best player on his team. He had the 80 game and "mamba out" and countless "Kobe" moments. It took me a long time to appreciate him and Im only just coming round to Lebron. Being an MJ fanboy can make you a bitter, bitter fluffybunny. to the point of ignoring amazing ability for fear your idol may be eclipsed.That said if i was to have any player, play to save my life there is only one guy I would choose and its not White Mamba. Jordan had intangibles. Not just a desire to win and the ability to try an do so at all costs but the will to make it happen no matter what. You cant ignore that for the first half of his career it was a title free and Lebron was dragging his teams to the play offs from day one. Jordan was also an axe murderer posing an a basketball player. He was/is an amazing asshole when he wants to be as Steve Kerr can confirm. I saw him compared to Ty Cobb once and that is saying something. But again if I have to have one player play for my life he is the only one. He would win against Lebron, yes he would, and he would most certainly beat Kobe.
Im 39 tbough so whatever...
@raznomore I'm slightly older vintage. The four best players I've ever seen play in real time, in no particular order,
MJ
Magic
Shaq
LBJMagic was amazing. He took the Lakers to an NBA championship over the 76ers in his rookie year, after moving from point guard to center to fill in for the injured Kareem, he delivered a man of the match performance. Shaq was such a force of nature, his one glaring weakness was his foul shooting. If I had to pick one player in their prime to play a game of basketball with my life on the line, it would be championship MJ. The guy can even play against and beat aliens!!
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Easy to pluck stats but im also easily convinced.
I am an MJ fan and for years tried to hate on LBJ but the reality is he is great on the court great off the court. He doesn't really choke in finals. He has performed for years at such a high level. Man what I would give for bulls vs Cavs/heat final with LBJ and MJ in their prime.
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Jordan, purely for the fact that he was awesome, but also got in to his opponents heads by mentally disintegrating them. Could trash talk, and just drag opponents out of a game, while barely skipping a beat himself. Fuck what a competitor.
Holy shit, Jordan averaged 20 points at the Wizards aged 38.
GOAT
LBJ is fucking really good though
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MJ.
Lebron’s game is amazing and he and Kobe have played a significant role in keeping the flame alive in the post-Jordan era.
We haven’t seen a guy of Lebron’s size and speed and skill before. A guard in a power forwards body that moves so quick down the floor but can finish with power and finesse.
To Lebron’s credit his first few seasons in the NBA he was a streaky outside shooter at best, but over the past few seasons has improved his range and consistency in this era of 3-point-itis.
For me MJ had this all-round game that he could get into opposition players heads on both ends of the floor. He was never easy to get around defensively. He was a demon on the help D. His hands were quick and his anticipation on the passing lanes was up there with the best ever (Alvin Robertson from the Bucks was probably the best I saw).
Offensively, his post up game was the envy of every low post player. He wasn’t a dribble ISO player, but he could break down a defender if he needed to. Not dissimilar to Lebron, his 3pt shoot got better in latter years. He too finished with power and finesse, and had the athleticism and grace.
And the cherry on top - Jordan 4s and 5s will be better than any shoe Lebron will ever produce.
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MJ.
Lebron’s game is amazing and he and Kobe have played a significant role in keeping the flame alive in the post-Jordan era.
We haven’t seen a guy of Lebron’s size and speed and skill before. A guard in a power forwards body that moves so quick down the floor but can finish with power and finesse.
To Lebron’s credit his first few seasons in the NBA he was a streaky outside shooter at best, but over the past few seasons has improved his range and consistency in this era of 3-point-itis.
For me MJ had this all-round game that he could get into opposition players heads on both ends of the floor. He was never easy to get around defensively. He was a demon on the help D. His hands were quick and his anticipation on the passing lanes was up there with the best ever (Alvin Robertson from the Bucks was probably the best I saw).
Offensively, his post up game was the envy of every low post player. He wasn’t a dribble ISO player, but he could break down a defender if he needed to. Not dissimilar to Lebron, his 3pt shoot got better in latter years. He too finished with power and finesse, and had the athleticism and grace.
And the cherry on top - Jordan 4s and 5s will be better than any shoe Lebron will ever produce.
@act-crusader 4 and 5 are all time but 1,6 and Space Jams are my faves.
Lebron current is the best hes ever had.
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@act-crusader 4 and 5 are all time but 1,6 and Space Jams are my faves.
Lebron current is the best hes ever had.
@raznomore said in NBA Season 2017/18:
@act-crusader 4 and 5 are all time but 1,6 and Space Jams are my faves.
Lebron current is the best hes ever had.
I was lucky enough to have a pair of 5s. But the 4s are the ultimate icon, everyone wanted a pair of those. All this talk has got me trying to source a pair to make up for missing getting a pair back then
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@act-crusader 4 and 5 are all time but 1,6 and Space Jams are my faves.
Lebron current is the best hes ever had.
@raznomore said in NBA Season 2017/18:
@act-crusader 4 and 5 are all time but 1,6 and Space Jams are my faves.
Lebron current is the best hes ever had.
Year don’t mind the low cut version of the latest Lebrons. Haven’t brought any (yet), currently playing in Kyrie 3s and PG 2s.
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This is probably the best finals series I can remember (since getting back into watching in 2010). Still have no idea who is going to win each one.
