Things that annoy you about rugby...
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@smuts the not taking the halfback rule is absurd, and i don't understand the need for it at all. As you say, sometimes the halfback is the only guy on his feet, the counter-ruck is good, of course they hit the halfback, penalty!
Can someone explain why it is there? What insidious piece of play were they trying to rub out?
@mariner4life said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Can someone explain why it is there? What insidious piece of play were they trying to rub out?
Tackling without the ball?
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@mariner4life said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@crucial i saw some terrible "not held, go again" on the weekend as well. You're not held because you are tackled, and the tackled players have released. Refs hate defenders.
The only time I've seen it called is when a try was scored by getting back up (Rieko). That part of the game is becoming a bit of a joke, and it's so easy to police as well.
@no-quarter said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@mariner4life said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@crucial i saw some terrible "not held, go again" on the weekend as well. You're not held because you are tackled, and the tackled players have released. Refs hate defenders.
The only time I've seen it called is when a try was scored by getting back up (Rieko). That part of the game is becoming a bit of a joke, and it's so easy to police as well.
The one where he wasn't actually held, then as he was getting up, the guy on the floor reached out again and put his hand on Rieko?
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@mariner4life said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Can someone explain why it is there? What insidious piece of play were they trying to rub out?
Tackling without the ball?
@chris-b said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@mariner4life said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Can someone explain why it is there? What insidious piece of play were they trying to rub out?
Tackling without the ball?
which i can sort of understand, except that's on paper, and rarely is that actually the case in reality.
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@chris-b said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@mariner4life said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Can someone explain why it is there? What insidious piece of play were they trying to rub out?
Tackling without the ball?
which i can sort of understand, except that's on paper, and rarely is that actually the case in reality.
@mariner4life The whole concept of clean-outs is pretty foreign to when I played the game in the dim distant past.
Unless you're the halfback it seems you can be cleaned out if you're anywhere in the vicinity of the ruck, though presumably in theory you should be part of it.
Joe Moody's "vicinity" was just a bit broad at the weekend.
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@mariner4life The whole concept of clean-outs is pretty foreign to when I played the game in the dim distant past.
Unless you're the halfback it seems you can be cleaned out if you're anywhere in the vicinity of the ruck, though presumably in theory you should be part of it.
Joe Moody's "vicinity" was just a bit broad at the weekend.
@chris-b said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@mariner4life The whole concept of clean-outs is pretty foreign to when I played the game in the dim distant past.
Unless you're the halfback it seems you can be cleaned out if you're anywhere in the vicinity of the ruck, though presumably in theory you should be part of it.
Joe Moody's "vicinity" was just a bit broad at the weekend.
Back in the day I'm pretty sure you could bind onto any player within a metre (yard?
) of the ruck. It wasn't called a clean out in those days but effectively was. Cleaned your sprigs on the way through too. -
@smuts the not taking the halfback rule is absurd, and i don't understand the need for it at all. As you say, sometimes the halfback is the only guy on his feet, the counter-ruck is good, of course they hit the halfback, penalty!
Can someone explain why it is there? What insidious piece of play were they trying to rub out?
@mariner4life said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@smuts the not taking the halfback rule is absurd, and i don't understand the need for it at all. As you say, sometimes the halfback is the only guy on his feet, the counter-ruck is good, of course they hit the halfback, penalty!
Can someone explain why it is there? What insidious piece of play were they trying to rub out?
I think it was originally intended to keep defending players from grabbing the halfback through the ruck and disrupting clean service that way, instead of actually pushing against the attacking players at the ruck. I mean, that would make more sense than what is actually refereed right now. Hate halfbacks swinging their arms at the touch of a finger. Little fucks!
I am also a little fuck, so I am allowed to say that (according to recent internet logic, "AS A LITTLE FUCK, I have to say that little fucks are no more discriminated against than big ones") -
@mariner4life said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@smuts the not taking the halfback rule is absurd, and i don't understand the need for it at all. As you say, sometimes the halfback is the only guy on his feet, the counter-ruck is good, of course they hit the halfback, penalty!
Can someone explain why it is there? What insidious piece of play were they trying to rub out?
I think it was originally intended to keep defending players from grabbing the halfback through the ruck and disrupting clean service that way, instead of actually pushing against the attacking players at the ruck. I mean, that would make more sense than what is actually refereed right now. Hate halfbacks swinging their arms at the touch of a finger. Little fucks!
I am also a little fuck, so I am allowed to say that (according to recent internet logic, "AS A LITTLE FUCK, I have to say that little fucks are no more discriminated against than big ones")@tordah So, I understand the idea of not being allowed to pull the half-back into the ruck. But as you say that isn't what is being blown up now. It is just one more area where the contest is being "ruled" over.
My internal sense of rugby is that every phase should be a fair contest for the ball. And penalties should only come where someone deliberately tries to ruin that contest (including by doing something dangerous.)
There are too many areas of the game right now that don't feel like a fair contest.
Rucks ain't.
Mauls ain't.
Scrums are better but ain't going to be until refs (i) start policing the put in, and (ii) get a better grasp of who is doing what. And the powers that be allow for a bunch of early resets without penalties so everyone knows which scrum is on top.
And on defence, touchies need to start policing the offside line.
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@tordah So, I understand the idea of not being allowed to pull the half-back into the ruck. But as you say that isn't what is being blown up now. It is just one more area where the contest is being "ruled" over.
My internal sense of rugby is that every phase should be a fair contest for the ball. And penalties should only come where someone deliberately tries to ruin that contest (including by doing something dangerous.)
There are too many areas of the game right now that don't feel like a fair contest.
Rucks ain't.
Mauls ain't.
Scrums are better but ain't going to be until refs (i) start policing the put in, and (ii) get a better grasp of who is doing what. And the powers that be allow for a bunch of early resets without penalties so everyone knows which scrum is on top.
And on defence, touchies need to start policing the offside line.
@smuts said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
My internal sense of rugby is that every phase should be a fair contest for the ball. And penalties should only come where someone deliberately tries to ruin that contest (including by doing something dangerous.)>
There are too many areas of the game right now that don't feel like a fair contest. >
Rucks ain't. >
Mauls ain't.I thoroughly agree. Rucks are so little a contest that players don't generally bother - they just try to hold up players, or rip the ball rather than contest on the ground.
Scrums also aren't much of a contest - they are a machine for running down clocks and awarding penaltues. Actually pushing the other side off the ball is rare
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Haven't read much above.
- When there is a knock on and the ref hasn't called it a knock on and the player is in front and picks it up. Should be a scrum such a shit penalty.
- Any guy going for an intercept. Its 99% of the time not a deliberate knock down its an intercept attempt that goes wrong. Hate seeing people carded for that.
- Drop kicks and shots at goal. I reckon if they miss and it goes dead should be a scrum on the 22 to the other team (or from where the kick was taken).
- Backs.
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Haven't read much above.
- When there is a knock on and the ref hasn't called it a knock on and the player is in front and picks it up. Should be a scrum such a shit penalty.
- Any guy going for an intercept. Its 99% of the time not a deliberate knock down its an intercept attempt that goes wrong. Hate seeing people carded for that.
- Drop kicks and shots at goal. I reckon if they miss and it goes dead should be a scrum on the 22 to the other team (or from where the kick was taken).
- Backs.
@magpie_in_aus Point 4 wasn't required to identify as a forward. Point 3 had already done that effectively.
On Point 3, a minute of arsing about forming up, crouch, bind, collapse, rinse and repeat,....random penalty to someone...
Why not restart with a toss of the coin where the winner gets a penalty on the 22 - or, at the refs discretion the loser sometimes gets the penalty?
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Haven't read much above.
- When there is a knock on and the ref hasn't called it a knock on and the player is in front and picks it up. Should be a scrum such a shit penalty.
- Any guy going for an intercept. Its 99% of the time not a deliberate knock down its an intercept attempt that goes wrong. Hate seeing people carded for that.
- Drop kicks and shots at goal. I reckon if they miss and it goes dead should be a scrum on the 22 to the other team (or from where the kick was taken).
- Backs.
@magpie_in_aus said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Any guy going for an intercept. Its 99% of the time not a deliberate knock down its an intercept attempt that goes wrong. Hate seeing people carded for that.
Couldn't disagree more. The amount of times I've "gone for an intercept" knowing full well if the pass sticks it's a try. Catch it or get penalised - it's such a negative way to play.
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@magpie_in_aus said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Any guy going for an intercept. Its 99% of the time not a deliberate knock down its an intercept attempt that goes wrong. Hate seeing people carded for that.
Couldn't disagree more. The amount of times I've "gone for an intercept" knowing full well if the pass sticks it's a try. Catch it or get penalised - it's such a negative way to play.
@antipodean said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@magpie_in_aus said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Any guy going for an intercept. Its 99% of the time not a deliberate knock down its an intercept attempt that goes wrong. Hate seeing people carded for that.
Couldn't disagree more. The amount of times I've "gone for an intercept" knowing full well if the pass sticks it's a try. Catch it or get penalised - it's such a negative way to play.
bloody cheating backs
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@antipodean said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@magpie_in_aus said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Any guy going for an intercept. Its 99% of the time not a deliberate knock down its an intercept attempt that goes wrong. Hate seeing people carded for that.
Couldn't disagree more. The amount of times I've "gone for an intercept" knowing full well if the pass sticks it's a try. Catch it or get penalised - it's such a negative way to play.
bloody cheating backs
@mariner4life If there's one thing in my arsenal I'm Test level at; it's playing negative cheating rugby in the face of superior talent and athleticism. I like to call it a winning mentality.
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@magpie_in_aus said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Any guy going for an intercept. Its 99% of the time not a deliberate knock down its an intercept attempt that goes wrong. Hate seeing people carded for that.
Couldn't disagree more. The amount of times I've "gone for an intercept" knowing full well if the pass sticks it's a try. Catch it or get penalised - it's such a negative way to play.
@antipodean it's a positive play for your team if it comes off...
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@mariner4life If there's one thing in my arsenal I'm Test level at; it's playing negative cheating rugby in the face of superior talent and athleticism. I like to call it a winning mentality.
@antipodean said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@mariner4life If there's one thing in my arsenal I'm Test level at; it's playing negative cheating rugby in the face of superior talent and athleticism. I like to call it a winning mentality.
twins!! my mantra was "if they are better than you, play dirty and negative" easy to do in the forwards. bad for your teeth and fingers though
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@antipodean said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@mariner4life If there's one thing in my arsenal I'm Test level at; it's playing negative cheating rugby in the face of superior talent and athleticism. I like to call it a winning mentality.
twins!! my mantra was "if they are better than you, play dirty and negative" easy to do in the forwards. bad for your teeth and fingers though
@mariner4life said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@antipodean said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@mariner4life If there's one thing in my arsenal I'm Test level at; it's playing negative cheating rugby in the face of superior talent and athleticism. I like to call it a winning mentality.
twins!! my mantra was "if they are better than you, play dirty and negative" easy to do in the forwards. bad for your teeth and fingers though
You are the guys who would play Jonah Lomu Rugby and with 30 seconds to go run zigzag backwards and run it dead aren't you.
Im not anti the penalty for that more when you see people carded. The times when you see people just get a hand to it tap it up and just regather and shoot off vs the times they get a hand to it and don't regather. Both are honest attempts.
*if we got rid of backs this would likely solve this problem
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@magpie_in_aus Point 4 wasn't required to identify as a forward. Point 3 had already done that effectively.
On Point 3, a minute of arsing about forming up, crouch, bind, collapse, rinse and repeat,....random penalty to someone...
Why not restart with a toss of the coin where the winner gets a penalty on the 22 - or, at the refs discretion the loser sometimes gets the penalty?
@chris-b Yeah maybe not a scrum maybe just a free kick or something. I just don't like that in most cases a team chances their hand taking a shot or drop kick and then high % they will get the ball back again.
Im actually not just a forward.....I'm a lock who tells the coach im a loosey first but also first to put their hand up for covering 1st 5.
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@chris-b Yeah maybe not a scrum maybe just a free kick or something. I just don't like that in most cases a team chances their hand taking a shot or drop kick and then high % they will get the ball back again.
Im actually not just a forward.....I'm a lock who tells the coach im a loosey first but also first to put their hand up for covering 1st 5.
@magpie_in_aus said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
@chris-b Yeah maybe not a scrum maybe just a free kick or something. I just don't like that in most cases a team chances their hand taking a shot or drop kick and then high % they will get the ball back again.
Im actually not just a forward.....I'm a lock who tells the coach im a loosey first but also first to put their hand up for covering 1st 5.
If the team taking the dropout can accurately kick to the forwards they'll doubtless drop it in any case. Usually on purpose, in my opinion.
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Haven't read much above.
- When there is a knock on and the ref hasn't called it a knock on and the player is in front and picks it up. Should be a scrum such a shit penalty.
- Any guy going for an intercept. Its 99% of the time not a deliberate knock down its an intercept attempt that goes wrong. Hate seeing people carded for that.
- Drop kicks and shots at goal. I reckon if they miss and it goes dead should be a scrum on the 22 to the other team (or from where the kick was taken).
- Backs.
@magpie_in_aus said in Things that annoy you about rugby...:
Haven't read much above.
- When there is a knock on and the ref hasn't called it a knock on and the player is in front and picks it up. Should be a scrum such a shit penalty.
- Any guy going for an intercept. Its 99% of the time not a deliberate knock down its an intercept attempt that goes wrong. Hate seeing people carded for that.
- Drop kicks and shots at goal. I reckon if they miss and it goes dead should be a scrum on the 22 to the other team (or from where the kick was taken).
- Backs.
Especially No.4.
Re No.2. Agree entirely. Much of the time it is a legit intercept attempt. Can I also plead for the use of the term "deliberate knock-on" or "deliberate knock-forward"? "Down" is legal.
It has led to people, even on here, suggesting deliberate knocks backwards should be penalised.
