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Magpies - 2018 Mitre 10 Cup

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    Managed to get away from work for a few hours, and went to the preseason game. I hope it's a good sign for the rest of the season, because we beat Ta$man 31 to 22. If I recognised the players correctly (some without a number on their shirt), the Bay's tries were scored by Tom Parson, Sebastian Visinia, JJ Taulagi, Sasa Tofilau and Folau Fakatava. Josh Kaifa left the field with an ankle injury. He managed to walk afterwards, but it looked painful.

    A few things I noticed:

    • giving away too many penalties
    • scrum is still a work-on (that's where several of the penalties came from)
    • too many handling errors (particularly, dropping balls/knock-ons)
    • backs already look exciting (I focused mainly on them, because I found them easier to recognise)
    • JJ Taulagi is smaller than I thought and lost a few one-on-one's, possibly because of his size. But when he was able to step his opponents (and that happened often) and went hot on attack, he was really hard to stop.
    • I don't know who the very big midfielder was (I first thought he was a prop), but while he is strong and relentless on defence, he is also quite slow.
    • our ex-schoolboys are looking good, particularly Toala and Fakatava. Exp Fakatava is pure class. I wish they'd selected him already for the NZ U20s.
    • he may not have been the best on the field, but Mason Emerson was good in taking a leadership role. He was screaming his lungs out now and then.

    I found two short clips on Twitter (don't watch them full screen because the quality isn't good enough for that):

    I think this is Tom Parsons try:
    https://twitter.com/Magpies_Unoff/status/991505233447546880

    This is - without the lead-up - the try from Folau Fakatava:
    https://twitter.com/Magpies_Unoff/status/991515045455577088

    I think they were filming, so there will probably be a highlights video later in the week.

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      Yep, I was impressed with Fakatava when I watched Hastings RS play MAC, and he only played 30 minutes!

      I reckon he is good enough to play Mitre 10 Cup this year.

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      • Number 10N Number 10

        Yep, I was impressed with Fakatava when I watched Hastings RS play MAC, and he only played 30 minutes!

        I reckon he is good enough to play Mitre 10 Cup this year.

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        @number-10 Yes, I think so, too. I expect that he will first play the U19s tournament, unless there are injury concerns at halfback, and then gradually get some game time from the bench. Same with Flanders, by the way.

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          It was interesting to see a whole delegation from the Wellington Lions in the stands, among them, Cory Jane. Spying haha?
          I can confirm that Shane Christie was part of the Ta$man coaching staff present at the game.

          From the Super Rugby Magpies, I did see Gareth Evans. There may have been more of them though, sitting at the reserves bench maybe (too far away for me to see).

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            Video (50 minutes) of the HB Saracens v Ta$man XV game from last week.

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              Second pre-season game:

              Wairarapa Bush v Hawke's Bay Saracens
              Monday, 4 June (Queen's Birthday), kick-off 2pm at Featherston Rugby Club

              Squad according to the HBT:

              Forwards: Mark Braidwood, Jason Long, Joe Apikotoa, Aleki Vuki, Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe, Pouri Rakete-Stones, Sam Ulufonua, Tom Parsons, Lui Luamanu, Matt Gardner, Fa'alemiga Selesele, Lucas Goodin, Chris Johnston, Ricky Hayes, Nathan Tweedy, Hannon Brighouse, Ben Hamelink, Jack Nelson-Murray, Kianu Kereru-Symes, Frank Tupuola.

              Backs: Ellery Wilson, Folau Fakatava, Zac Donaldson, Tianua Poto, Lincoln McClutchie, Sasa Tofilau, Sebastian Visinia, Timo Vaiusu, Shae Tucker, Johnny Ika, Pasqualle Dunn, Mason Emerson, Danny Toala, Willie McGoon, Michael Buckley, JJ Taulagi, Mitch Drew, Hayden Hann.

              Injured: Lester Maulolo, Tim Farrell, Jacob Devery, Tamati Samuels, Ryan Tongia, Trent Boswell-Wakefield, Josh Kaifa.

              Unavailable: Devan Flanders, Will Tremain (both at Under 20 World Championship).

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                Slightly corrected Hawke's Bay Saracens squad for Monday's preseason game v Wairarapa Bush:

                1 Jason Long, 2 Jacob Devery, 3 Joe Apikotoa, 4 Tom Parsons, 5 Matt Gardner, 6 Lui Luamanu, 7 Richy Hayes, 8 Hannon Brighouse, 9 Ellery Wilson, 10 Lincoln McClutchie, 11 Mason Emerson, 12 Pasqualle Dunn, 13 Sasa Tofilau, 14 Ryan Tongia, 15 Danny Toala

                Reserves: 16 Kianu Kereru-Symes, 17 Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe, 18 Pouri Rakete-Stones, 19 Chris Johnston, 20 Ben Hamelink, 21 Sam Ulufonua, 22 Folau Fakatava, 23 Tianua Poto, 24 Shae Tucker, 25 Hayden Hann, 26 Michael Buckley, 27 Mitch Drew

                And according to the HBT:

                Injured: Trent Boswell-Wakefield, Tim Farrell, Lester Maulolo, Tamati Samuels, Fa'alemiga Selesele, Josh Kaifa, JJ Taulagi, Mark Braidwood, Lucas Goodin, Aleki Vuki.

                Unavailable: Devan Flanders, Will Tremain (both with NZ 20s), Johnny Ika (Tonga A), Will McGoon (Away).

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                  Half time in Featherston: HB Saracens 19 - 7 Wairarapa Bush

                  HB tries: Ricky Hayes, Pasquale Dunn and Joe Apikatoa; conversion 2x Lincoln McClutchie.

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                    Full time: Hawke's Bay Saracens 57 - 14 Wairarapa Bush

                    Tries: Ricky Hayes, Pasquelle Dunn, Joe Apikatoa, Hayden Hann, Pouri Rakete-Stones, Michael Buckley, Folou Fakatava, Josiah Tevita-Metcalfe 2x

                    Conversions: Lincoln McClutchie 4 and Tianua Poto 2.

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                      That scoreline has got to be a bit worrisome considering Horowhenua did the Bush by about forty in a curtainraiser to one of the Hurricanes games a couple of weeks ago.

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                        It was raining pretty heavy so that could have affect to the score line

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                          More than 52 minutes long video of the preseason game between Hawke's Bay Saracens and Wairarapa Bush:

                          .

                          Highlights only:

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                            Next preseason game:

                            July 4 – Manawatu Evergreens v Hawke’s Bay Saracens, Sport and Rugby Institute, Palmerston North, kick-off 6pm

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                              Was advised today there is an expectation Geoff Cridge ought to be available for Magpies in September.

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                                Was advised today there is an expectation Geoff Cridge ought to be available for Magpies in September.

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                                @number-10 That would be awesome! He's been extremely unlucky with injuries, but I think he could become a very good lock. I hope a good season for us will give him an opportunity to get another SR contract. I'm afraid the Canes will dump him like they've done with Renton though.

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                                  Magpies prop Pouri Rakete-Stones is included in the Hurricanes team to play the Chiefs in a friendly at Hawera tomorrow.

                                  15 Chase Tiatia
                                  14 Julian Savea
                                  13 Wes Goosen
                                  12 Peter Umaga-Jensen
                                  11 Jonah Lowe
                                  10 Jackson Garden-Bachop
                                  9 Finlay Christie
                                  8 Gareth Evans
                                  7 Sam Henwood
                                  6 Reed Prinsep (c)
                                  5 Sam Lousi
                                  4 James Blackwell
                                  3 Marcel Renata
                                  2 James O'Reilly
                                  1 Fraser Armstrong

                                  Reserves

                                  16 Nathan Vella
                                  17 Chris Eves
                                  18 Pouri Rakete-Stones
                                  19 Michael Fatialofa
                                  20 Isaia Walker-Leawere
                                  21 Murray Douglas
                                  22 Du'Plessis Kirifi
                                  23 Jamie Booth
                                  24 Ihaia West
                                  25 Ben Lam

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                                    Magpies prop Pouri Rakete-Stones is included in the Hurricanes team to play the Chiefs in a friendly at Hawera tomorrow.

                                    15 Chase Tiatia
                                    14 Julian Savea
                                    13 Wes Goosen
                                    12 Peter Umaga-Jensen
                                    11 Jonah Lowe
                                    10 Jackson Garden-Bachop
                                    9 Finlay Christie
                                    8 Gareth Evans
                                    7 Sam Henwood
                                    6 Reed Prinsep (c)
                                    5 Sam Lousi
                                    4 James Blackwell
                                    3 Marcel Renata
                                    2 James O'Reilly
                                    1 Fraser Armstrong

                                    Reserves

                                    16 Nathan Vella
                                    17 Chris Eves
                                    18 Pouri Rakete-Stones
                                    19 Michael Fatialofa
                                    20 Isaia Walker-Leawere
                                    21 Murray Douglas
                                    22 Du'Plessis Kirifi
                                    23 Jamie Booth
                                    24 Ihaia West
                                    25 Ben Lam

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                                    @number-10 Yeah, I noticed that. He seems to be replacing Ben May (assuming Renata replaces JTA). I wonder whether Ben is injured? It looks like PR-S is now no. 4 in the TH pecking order at the Canes. Has May re-signed yet? If my notes are correct, his Canes' contract expires after this SR season (his Magpies contract, too, after this season). He's 35 years old. It would be awesome if PR-S could score a Canes contract if he has a good M10 Cup season. Btw, Eves is 30 and Toby Smith 29. The Canes propping stocks could use some rejuvenation.

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                                      Tomorrow, the Hawke's Bay Saracens will play their third preseason game. Opponents this time are the Manawatu Evergreens, for whom it's the first preseason game. Venue: Sports & Rugby Institute, Palmerston North. K/o 6.00pm.

                                      Anyone going?

                                      This is the Saracens line-up:

                                      1 Jason Long (vc)(HRS)
                                      2 Jacob Devery (HRS)
                                      3 Joe Apikotoa (Taradale)
                                      4 Tom Parsons (c) (CHB)
                                      5 Lui Luamanu (Taradale)
                                      6 Hannon Brighouse (NOBM)
                                      7 Chris Johnston (NOBM)
                                      8 Solomone Funaki (MAC)
                                      9 Folau Fakatava (HRS)
                                      10 Lincoln McClutchie (Tamatea)
                                      11 Sebastian Visinia (Tech)
                                      12 Sasa Tofilau (Clive)
                                      13 Shae Tucker (NOBM)
                                      14 Mitch Drew (NOBM)
                                      15 JJ Taulagi (Clive)

                                      Reserves
                                      16 Ben Power (Havelock N), 17 Pouri Rakete-Stones (Pirates), 18 Mark Braidwood (Tech), 19 Sam Ulufonua (Havelock N), 20 Ricky Hayes (NOBM), 21 Tyler Symon-Burke (NOBM), 22 Will Tremain (NOBM), 23 Ellery Wilson (NOBM), 24 Tianua Poto (Clive), 25 Pasqualle Dunn (CHB), 26 Lewis Marshall (CHB), 27 Danny Toala (HRS)

                                      I've posted the Manawatu line-up in the Mitre 10 Cup thread.

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                                        Ten of those 27 have arrived in the province this year - including returnees Tom Parsons and Lewis Marshall.

                                        Ben Power has just arrived in.

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                                          Ten of those 27 have arrived in the province this year - including returnees Tom Parsons and Lewis Marshall.

                                          Ben Power has just arrived in.

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                                          @number-10 Do you know, have those who have come in from other provinces (returnees excluded) all been invited to come here and try for a Magpies spot, or have some come uninvited, just to try their luck? I understand from the HBT that Power was the 5th-ranked hooker in Wellington. It looks like we're a prime destination for other provinces' rejects or 3rd stringers.

                                          Is this correct?

                                          Joe Apikotoa - Wellington
                                          Tom Parsons - Manawatu returnee
                                          Lui Luamanu - Wellington
                                          Solomone Funaki - BoP
                                          Visinia - Auckland
                                          Tofilau - Auckland
                                          Taulagi - Sunwolves
                                          Ben Power - Wellington
                                          Ulufonua - Auckland
                                          Dunn - Auckland (arrived last year)
                                          Marshall - Manawatu returnee

                                          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503460&objectid=12081880

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