All Blacks v France Test #1
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@crucial well it did happen right in front of Gardner and as we saw in the Saders v Canes he doesn't know this law. Happened in the Ocker v pikie game as well.
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial well it did happen right in front of Gardner and as we saw in the Saders v Canes he doesn't know this law. Happened in the Ocker v pikie game as well.
That's what makes me wonder if there has been one of these 'referee memos' that aren't actually prescribed law but more an opinion from the bosses on interpretation.
It could explain the debacle in the third Lions test and the words used on the field. Does it all stem from fear of what happened to Joubert at the RWC? -
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial well it did happen right in front of Gardner and as we saw in the Saders v Canes he doesn't know this law. Happened in the Ocker v pikie game as well.
That's what makes me wonder if there has been one of these 'referee memos' that aren't actually prescribed law but more an opinion from the bosses on interpretation.
It could explain the debacle in the third Lions test and the words used on the field. Does it all stem from fear of what happened to Joubert at the RWC?@crucial Well I don't think its as bad as that otherwise I might believe the Yanks destroyed the twin towers. I just think its shit application of the laws. Maybe we should reinstate George Ayoub to on field duties.
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looks bad in slow motion ,
tip for kiwis
stay away from international social media rugby forums such as facebook for a week
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
looks bad in slow motion ,
tip for kiwis
stay away from international social media rugby forums such as facebook for a week
Nah. Much fun to be had stringing people along with ever-loopier conspiracy theories :smiling_face_with_halo:
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
DMac looks great running into huge gaps but doesnt really answer any questions about a tight game.
The guy’s on a hiding to nothing with some people isn’t he?
He is hardly perfect and certainly hit and miss at times but the coaches realise the value of when he does something good it is very good.(and back themselves to try and reduce the very bad).
You can hardly deny what a player brings when two touches of the ball result in two tries. I’ll take that any day.
That first try wasn’t a huge gap. That was classic Cullen like play where he spotted an opportunity from deep and accelerated into the right place on the right line at the right time. Only players with great instinct do that. Cullen was brilliant at it because he also glided at speed very deceptively and seemingly popped up from nowhere.
I think DMac did his job today very well and only pushed the situation once in a poor way.
He tries to create scoring chances and as long as he comes out on the right side of the ledger it’s a win.@crucial Just don't get the anti-DMac thing.
For a 4th choice FB last year, I thought he did pretty well overall. Made some wrong decisions for sure, (but probably less than SBW) and was generally impressive on defence - exceptional against Wales and Argentina.
Reminds me of some of the "don't let Nonu near the team" sentiments we heard for years....
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@crucial Just don't get the anti-DMac thing.
For a 4th choice FB last year, I thought he did pretty well overall. Made some wrong decisions for sure, (but probably less than SBW) and was generally impressive on defence - exceptional against Wales and Argentina.
Reminds me of some of the "don't let Nonu near the team" sentiments we heard for years....
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial Just don't get the anti-DMac thing.
For a 4th choice FB last year, I thought he did pretty well overall. Made some wrong decisions for sure, (but probably less than SBW) and was generally impressive on defence - exceptional against Wales and Argentina.
Reminds me of some of the "don't let Nonu near the team" sentiments we heard for years....
If you go back long enough the original TSF boards had plenty of posters questioning whether a certain J.Lomu should be selected due to his shaky defence and 'turning like the Titanic'. Both valid criticisms but given way to much weight when sided against his attacking attributes.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The double tackle on Remy Grosso by Sam Cane and Ofa Tu'ungafasi has caused serious injury to Grosso, more in particular Ofa's shoulder. He has a double facial fracture, according to the website Rugbyrama. One is a sinus fracture. He's been advised not to travel back to France immediately, because the pressure in the plane is considered a risk.
According to the same article, the French management have asked the citing commissioner to examine the footage of the incident (as they can do under the rules).
Obviously, there's again a lot of talk of one set of rules for the ABs and one set of rules for the rest. I've been lurking on a few French forums and they go as far as saying that the high tackles from Cane and Ofa were deliberate, and that Ofa's shoulder hit to Grosso's face amounts to assault that should be prosecuted (but won't be because of, "All Blacks"). Apparently, referees are still scared of the ABs and, therefore, do not penalise them. These comments do not only come from French rugby fans, but I've also seen them again from English speaking rugby fans, and media.
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him. It was disappointing because it spoiled what was a good test match.
Sometimes refs and touchies miss things, or are the French forgetting 2007? Because I haven't@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him.
3 major mistakes, the first of which had a big impact on the game. The YC for Guabrillagues and non-YC for Ofa/Cane, and then the Ardie try. He was too quick to make an on-field decision in those instances without using the technology available. Ayoub should have helped like Skeen did in Brisbane.
I would normally applaud a ref for being assertive and backing their decision, but only if they're right.
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I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’Because he was no longer offside when he played the ball.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him.
3 major mistakes, the first of which had a big impact on the game. The YC for Guabrillagues and non-YC for Ofa/Cane, and then the Ardie try. He was too quick to make an on-field decision in those instances without using the technology available. Ayoub should have helped like Skeen did in Brisbane.
I would normally applaud a ref for being assertive and backing their decision, but only if they're right.
@bovidae said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him.
3 major mistakes, the first of which had a big impact on the game. The YC for Guabrillagues and non-YC for Ofa/Cane, and then the Ardie try. He was too quick to make an on-field decision in those instances without using the technology available. Ayoub should have helped like Skeen did in Brisbane.
I would normally applaud a ref for being assertive and backing their decision, but only if they're right.
Kids were running around in the last 10 minutes so missed the Ardie try. What's the ref's excuse?
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him.
3 major mistakes, the first of which had a big impact on the game. The YC for Guabrillagues and non-YC for Ofa/Cane, and then the Ardie try. He was too quick to make an on-field decision in those instances without using the technology available. Ayoub should have helped like Skeen did in Brisbane.
I would normally applaud a ref for being assertive and backing their decision, but only if they're right.
Kids were running around in the last 10 minutes so missed the Ardie try. What's the ref's excuse?
@canefan he was on the otherside of the maul and got no support from his AR, or as so many times a TMO just has a say when not asked, the TMO didn't say to have a look either.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
The ref had two howlers, marring an otherwise decent game for him.
3 major mistakes, the first of which had a big impact on the game. The YC for Guabrillagues and non-YC for Ofa/Cane, and then the Ardie try. He was too quick to make an on-field decision in those instances without using the technology available. Ayoub should have helped like Skeen did in Brisbane.
I would normally applaud a ref for being assertive and backing their decision, but only if they're right.
@bovidae Im sorry but that is just fence sitting. I'm glad you are a fan of hindsight. I back the ref in all those decisions he made them from what he saw end of story F the TV. The TMO has added nothing to rugby but long winded reviews of nothing and FFS George Ayoub is the shitist ref ever why do you think he's a TMO they don't trust him on field.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@crucial Just don't get the anti-DMac thing.
For a 4th choice FB last year, I thought he did pretty well overall. Made some wrong decisions for sure, (but probably less than SBW) and was generally impressive on defence - exceptional against Wales and Argentina.
Reminds me of some of the "don't let Nonu near the team" sentiments we heard for years....
If you go back long enough the original TSF boards had plenty of posters questioning whether a certain J.Lomu should be selected due to his shaky defence and 'turning like the Titanic'. Both valid criticisms but given way to much weight when sided against his attacking attributes.
@crucial I like his attitude as well as his skill-set.
Issue is where does Hansen play him? Super-sub and Utility back seems the best option at the moment. Outstanding in that role today.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
I’d love to hear comment from the referees as to why, yet again, a player in front of the ball that catches a knock on isn’t penalised.
As far as I know there has been no directive to be lenient and award scrums but twice now at EP in a test we have seen this ‘agreement’Because he was no longer offside when he played the ball.
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Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
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@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
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@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
@damo said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@wreck-diver said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@damo How was he not off side? How was he played on side? He never retreated back behind the point of knock on or the player that knocked the ball on.
By the time he touched the ball the player who last played it was in front of him.
That’s how I saw it too, just like when a kicker runs forward after kicking the ball and puts all the players in front of him onside.
I assume the rule is the same if you knock on instead of kick it?
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Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
I need to have a shower and scrub myself clean after typing the words " should have used TMO", as my real opinion is TMOs and directives from Referees Tower in IRB HQ should get out of the game and referees left to make common sense decisions based on what they see not what they think other people want other people not to see.
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Speak of the devil, I'm now just watching Ire v Aus replay. And TMO over turns a try ...
Jeezus Christ. This sport is a mess.
TMOs out. Let refs make mistakes. It's not that big a deal.
As for the scare of the moment - let the Obscure contacts with head be decided in judiciary. Ref just penalise unless it's a blatant bit of foul play.
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@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
I need to have a shower and scrub myself clean after typing the words " should have used TMO", as my real opinion is TMOs and directives from Referees Tower in IRB HQ should get out of the game and referees left to make common sense decisions based on what they see not what they think other people want other people not to see.
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
When he did go to the TMO just before half time for the overturned AB try he basically made the call himself off the big screen. The failure to use the resources available and rely on his own brilliance is classic Barnes.
I will agree though that he handled the ruck, offside line and line outs well. Aside from the scrum and the obvious bungles he was technically pretty good, just his attitude rubbed me the wrong way.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
When he did go to the TMO just before half time for the overturned AB try he basically made the call himself off the big screen. The failure to use the resources available and rely on his own brilliance is classic Barnes.
I will agree though that he handled the ruck, offside line and line outs well. Aside from the scrum and the obvious bungles he was technically pretty good, just his attitude rubbed me the wrong way.
@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
@rotated said in All Blacks v France Test #1:
Have only watched the first half... but has Wayne Barnes opened a referee academy up in the UK? This new chap seemed to be off the same production line. Way too much talk and drawing attention to himself and consistently delivery basic referee errors with a FIGJAM attitude.
I like him, thought he was great. Apart from, shudder, 2 times he should have used TMO.
When he did go to the TMO just before half time for the overturned AB try he basically made the call himself off the big screen. The failure to use the resources available and rely on his own brilliance is classic Barnes.
I will agree though that he handled the ruck, offside line and line outs well. Aside from the scrum and the obvious bungles he was technically pretty good, just his attitude rubbed me the wrong way.
Because it was obvious, and Ayoub was taking too long, and he correctly has no reason to trust Ayoub's on record terrible decisions as a TMO. I applauded that moment.
