All Blacks v France Test #2
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Squire will start on Saturday.
Watch a replay and see how much work he got through at Eden Park.
@infidel said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Squire will start on Saturday.
Watch a replay and see how much work he got through at Eden Park.
I'll have another look, because apart from one line out steal, I can't remember him being much chop - certainly he didn't make many metres, although he may have been clearing bodies all day and I didn't see it. He certainly didn't make as big of a splash around the field in comparison to the last time he played the french.
Stats suggest that Squire had the most carries (12), but only made 15 metres, a few less than Whitelock, who played 6 less minutes. Squire made 5 tackles and missed 1 in comparison to Whitelock's 4 with one miss.
From the stats, Cane originally looked like the worst loosie out there, but I see he lead the tackle count (6) and did that in 64 minutes, while making five passes, and conceding one penalty.
Based on the stats, all the loosies look alike, and Whitelock doesn't seem to pass enough (only 2?) which suggests he isn't really playing a Read game.
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@stargazer If Taufua is out, does this mean Akira Ioane comes in and gets gametime?
@frank No, I understand from what has been said in the media that Todd is staying (initially, he was only there temporarily as injury cover for Cane) and takes Taufua's spot (despite Taufua still being with the squad, I assume because they want to give him game time at a later stage this year).
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@frank No, I understand from what has been said in the media that Todd is staying (initially, he was only there temporarily as injury cover for Cane) and takes Taufua's spot (despite Taufua still being with the squad, I assume because they want to give him game time at a later stage this year).
@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@frank No, I understand from what has been said in the media that Todd is staying (initially, he was only there temporarily as injury cover for Cane) and takes Taufua's spot (despite Taufua still being with the squad, I assume because they want to give him game time at a later stage this year).
Perhaps if Akira comes in officially they have to pick up his food bill?
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Pichot has tweeted that he should have been cited after pressure from the UK brigade ...
In response to the Walrus claiming it was a criminal offence. Glad to know that Mr Jones is an expert on NZ criminal law now as well.
Loads of over-reactive people commenting based on a tiny clip at the worst possible angle. No showing how the French player ducked into contact.I have no problem with the incident being cited to assess properly, but accusations will fly after that as well.
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@majorrage I wonder if these guys take as much interest in the similar accidents in other games, no? Thought as much.
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Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
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Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
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Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
See, I don't mind if Cane gets cited. But think it would be a travesty if Ofa was.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
See, I don't mind if Cane gets cited. But think it would be a travesty if Ofa was.
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
See, I don't mind if Cane gets cited. But think it would be a travesty if Ofa was.
Completely agree.
Even though at the speed it is impossible to change but if he could it would probably be more dangerous to both players
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so the citing commissioners also have unconscious bias toward NZ players as well.
Now we know where all the extra AIG cash goes; to paying off all these officials to keep NZ at the top.
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Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
Also. On the Franks non-citing.
Isn't that a perfect example of the media selectively, and mischievously, using a single out of context frame to drum up a fairly non-existent controversy.
Live camera shot: Woah that looks terrible!
Front on replay: ah, whew, he totally missed the eyes.Next morning: SMH have a still , not used in the live coverage, that looks (optical illusion and the worst camera option available - side on from the far side) like he's digging right into his eyes.
Where did the SMH get the still from? And why did they chose that one?
You ask 100 rugby fans and for 90 all they will know of the incident, or the opinion they formed, is the SMH still that went viral.
The citing commissioner would have looked at the 3 angles and went easy decision. Not red card threshold.
Not that I think you should be allowed to grab people by the face in mauls..... penalise that grubby shit.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
See, I don't mind if Cane gets cited. But think it would be a travesty if Ofa was.
Completely agree.
Even though at the speed it is impossible to change but if he could it would probably be more dangerous to both players
@hooroo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
See, I don't mind if Cane gets cited. But think it would be a travesty if Ofa was.
Completely agree.
Even though at the speed it is impossible to change but if he could it would probably be more dangerous to both players
In the NZ U20s v Wales U20s a very similar incident occurred.
A Welsh player was getting tackled (not high ....) and fell into Tom Florence who was crouching and braced like Ofa T. Florence pulled out turned to his side a bit and braced for the impact. The welsh guy hit his arm which was at his side. Florence got a YC for leading with arm, or not attempting to wrap. Or some such shit.
Basically. If we are to think Ofa had time to change. His alternative options were bad.
Of course different refs, different views as well.
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@hooroo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
See, I don't mind if Cane gets cited. But think it would be a travesty if Ofa was.
Completely agree.
Even though at the speed it is impossible to change but if he could it would probably be more dangerous to both players
In the NZ U20s v Wales U20s a very similar incident occurred.
A Welsh player was getting tackled (not high ....) and fell into Tom Florence who was crouching and braced like Ofa T. Florence pulled out turned to his side a bit and braced for the impact. The welsh guy hit his arm which was at his side. Florence got a YC for leading with arm, or not attempting to wrap. Or some such shit.
Basically. If we are to think Ofa had time to change. His alternative options were bad.
Of course different refs, different views as well.
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hooroo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Look, to add balance, I’d have no issue with Ofa being cited - they have cracked down hard on this part of the game lately.
I don’t blame ppl for asking questions given the Franks non citing from a cpl of years ago too.
Fair cop, as if an Retallick had been receiving end of Franks hand, and if Ioane had a fractured skull from exactly the same opposite incident, and French players not cited, I’d probably be angry.
Part of the ‘aura’ is more watch us Purely to criticize us and this opportunity suits their agenda. What would you rather, no dominance and little criticism?
See, I don't mind if Cane gets cited. But think it would be a travesty if Ofa was.
Completely agree.
Even though at the speed it is impossible to change but if he could it would probably be more dangerous to both players
In the NZ U20s v Wales U20s a very similar incident occurred.
A Welsh player was getting tackled (not high ....) and fell into Tom Florence who was crouching and braced like Ofa T. Florence pulled out turned to his side a bit and braced for the impact. The welsh guy hit his arm which was at his side. Florence got a YC for leading with arm, or not attempting to wrap. Or some such shit.
Basically. If we are to think Ofa had time to change. His alternative options were bad.
Of course different refs, different views as well.
Considering Ofa got clocked so bad he should have entered the HIA, I reckon he had no options
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@infidel said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Squire will start on Saturday.
Watch a replay and see how much work he got through at Eden Park.
I'll have another look, because apart from one line out steal, I can't remember him being much chop - certainly he didn't make many metres, although he may have been clearing bodies all day and I didn't see it. He certainly didn't make as big of a splash around the field in comparison to the last time he played the french.
Stats suggest that Squire had the most carries (12), but only made 15 metres, a few less than Whitelock, who played 6 less minutes. Squire made 5 tackles and missed 1 in comparison to Whitelock's 4 with one miss.
From the stats, Cane originally looked like the worst loosie out there, but I see he lead the tackle count (6) and did that in 64 minutes, while making five passes, and conceding one penalty.
Based on the stats, all the loosies look alike, and Whitelock doesn't seem to pass enough (only 2?) which suggests he isn't really playing a Read game.
@gt12 but if you look at how they used Squire it is very different than previous years. I suspect this is the change in game plan. In the past Squire was in the edges running free and obvious to see but not actually carrying much but Meyers looked good or doing any jumping. You look at this test the forwards have been rearranged and he is closer, therefore less meters while jumping more.
It's easy to say but in the game plan he is asked to do different jobs than previous -
@gt12 but if you look at how they used Squire it is very different than previous years. I suspect this is the change in game plan. In the past Squire was in the edges running free and obvious to see but not actually carrying much but Meyers looked good or doing any jumping. You look at this test the forwards have been rearranged and he is closer, therefore less meters while jumping more.
It's easy to say but in the game plan he is asked to do different jobs than previous@98blueandgold I can't say I noticed Meyers at all.
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@taniwharugby Only if the AB coaches specifically ask for Goodhue to play at 12. Against the Chiefs, Havili played at 12, with Goodhue at 13 and Tamanivalu at 14.
@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@taniwharugby Only if the AB coaches specifically ask for Goodhue to play at 12. Against the Chiefs, Havili played at 12, with Goodhue at 13 and Tamanivalu at 14.
Goodhue pulled out of the chiefs game before kickoff. He was listed to start at 12 with seta at centre.
Only after he pulled out did they shift Havili to 12
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@taniwharugby Only if the AB coaches specifically ask for Goodhue to play at 12. Against the Chiefs, Havili played at 12, with Goodhue at 13 and Tamanivalu at 14.
Goodhue pulled out of the chiefs game before kickoff. He was listed to start at 12 with seta at centre.
Only after he pulled out did they shift Havili to 12
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The Crusaders will play the French Barbarians this Friday so I expect Goodhue and Mounga to be released for this game : the French Barbarians look as "strong" as the national team and won't be pushovers, especially upfront where they have a number of big men.
@cgrant said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
The Crusaders will play the French Barbarians this Friday so I expect Goodhue and Mounga to be released for this game : the French Barbarians look as "strong" as the national team and won't be pushovers, especially upfront where they have a number of big men.
I can't really see that happening. Even if Goodhue and'or Mo'unga aren't named in the AB 23, they'd need to be ready to play in case of someone pulling up lame on match day.
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Squire will start on Saturday.
Watch a replay and see how much work he got through at Eden Park.
@infidel said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Squire will start on Saturday.
Watch a replay and see how much work he got through at Eden Park.
I agree.
He got one of my votes as MOTM. I thought he was excellent. Just toiled all day, nothing flash but into everything. Kind of played as a 5.5 position really tight but still rounding up to be a loosie
