All Blacks v France Test #2
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
What a shit game, ruined by the red card.
Just on the card: it was red all day. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't been watching rugby for the last 5 years. Whether it SHOULD be red is a totally different discussion.Just listening to the post game conference and Shag's saying what a lot of people are; except in clear cases of deliberate foul play, make it yellow with automatic citing.
In effect, that's just raising the standard for red cards.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
What a shit game, ruined by the red card.
Just on the card: it was red all day. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't been watching rugby for the last 5 years. Whether it SHOULD be red is a totally different discussion.Just listening to the post game conference and Shag's saying what a lot of people are; except in clear cases of deliberate foul play, make it yellow with automatic citing.
In effect, that's just raising the standard for red cards.
Yes. We know foul play when we see it.
Richard Loe gouging eyes or crushing someone nose, deliberate filth. Send him off.
Someone falling on their head in a contested kick, or fracturing their scull in 2 places while ducking into a double tackle? I, as a rugby 'consumer' don't fucking care. They're grown men voluntarily playing a contact sport . I can accept unwanted outcomes from genuine, or even passably genuine actions.
Find a way to make this sport work.
No matter how many Will Smith movies, BOD almost dieing, and Alistair Campbell's screechng journos who were putty in his hands .
Find a way, because this sport is getting shit.
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@kev said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial yes looked like a plan but either poor plan or poor execution.
I think the plan is good especially the shallow wipers kick to the wing. You can pressure an error or catch him in possession well away from the pack using the sideline as your friend. As long as the opposition feels they had to work hard to get back they will start holding back on the rush.
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@donsteppa said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Worst All Blacks performance in years. Worst captain’s performance too - a nothing.
Whitelock (Samuel) was knackered by last try.
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So that was shit huh?
Will come back in the morning but I don't recall being as disappointed in an All Black performance since... shit ... I don't know when.
First test v France 94?
Fuck that was awful.
And I'm usually the most optimistic AB fan going.
No excuses. That was shit.
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@kev said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial yes looked like a plan but either poor plan or poor execution.
I think the plan is good especially the shallow wipers kick to the wing. You can pressure an error or catch him in possession well away from the pack using the sideline as your friend. As long as the opposition feels they had to work hard to get back they will start holding back on the rush.
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@crucial So poor execution ? given we didn’t find space or place receiver under pressure.
Still don’t like the idea of giving the ball away.
@kev said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial So poor execution ? given we didn’t find space or place receiver under pressure.
We got it 'right' a couple of times we just played so crappy that after slowing the rush we didn't take advantage.
Basically playing the game moving forward is way better than having to keep going backwards even if you concede possession at times. -
Not the best performance with a lot of players off their best. Bench offered very little as well. Substitutions seemed a little scattergun tonight.
I thought it was a RC offence on normal viewing but was hoping it would only be a YC.
Geez Crotty has some bad luck with his noggin. It didn't look like much in that head knock with Bast but the blood was pouring out big time and he looked groggy. Any word on his HIA?
The Wallabies v Ireland test had more intensity than this one.
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@kev said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial So poor execution ? given we didn’t find space or place receiver under pressure.
We got it 'right' a couple of times we just played so crappy that after slowing the rush we didn't take advantage.
Basically playing the game moving forward is way better than having to keep going backwards even if you concede possession at times. -
@crucial So poor execution ? given we didn’t find space or place receiver under pressure.
Still don’t like the idea of giving the ball away.
@booboo I can think of plenty of poor performances. The classic 'All Pinks' clash vs the Wallabies in 2007 prior to the RWC. I think the forwards never got off the team bus that day.
Dunners loss in 2009. They should've burnt the stadium after that.
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@kev said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial yes looked like a plan but either poor plan or poor execution.
I think the plan is good especially the shallow wipers kick to the wing. You can pressure an error or catch him in possession well away from the pack using the sideline as your friend. As long as the opposition feels they had to work hard to get back they will start holding back on the rush.
@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@kev said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@crucial yes looked like a plan but either poor plan or poor execution.
I think the plan is good especially the shallow wipers kick to the wing. You can pressure an error or catch him in possession well away from the pack using the sideline as your friend. As long as the opposition feels they had to work hard to get back they will start holding back on the rush.
Bring back Mack Hereweni?
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One thing to keep in mind when talking about them taking how a player lands into consideration is that removing that part is likely to just lead to harsher red cards because they would need a definition that fit situation like the one tonight (and worse) and ones where the player taken out doesn't get flipped dangerously but still gets taken out.
There needs to be a red card threshold somewhere otherwise you will get guys flying into a jumping player and claiming they were going for the ball by just throwing an arm up or watching the ball. The Boks did it lots in 08/09 and it was shit.
A modified card system and a more clearly defined set of tackle thresholds which are strictly and consistently applied is the only way out of this mess. Giving ref more freedom to pluck something out of their arse would only swing it another inconsistent direction.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
What a shit game, ruined by the red card.
Just on the card: it was red all day. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't been watching rugby for the last 5 years. Whether it SHOULD be red is a totally different discussion.Just listening to the post game conference and Shag's saying what a lot of people are; except in clear cases of deliberate foul play, make it yellow with automatic citing.
In effect, that's just raising the standard for red cards.
Yes. We know foul play when we see it.
Richard Loe gouging eyes or crushing someone nose, deliberate filth. Send him off.
Someone falling on their head in a contested kick, or fracturing their scull in 2 places while ducking into a double tackle? I, as a rugby 'consumer' don't fucking care. They're grown men voluntarily playing a contact sport . I can accept unwanted outcomes from genuine, or even passably genuine actions.
Find a way to make this sport work.
No matter how many Will Smith movies, BOD almost dieing, and Alistair Campbell's screechng journos who were putty in his hands .
Find a way, because this sport is getting shit.
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
What a shit game, ruined by the red card.
Just on the card: it was red all day. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't been watching rugby for the last 5 years. Whether it SHOULD be red is a totally different discussion.Just listening to the post game conference and Shag's saying what a lot of people are; except in clear cases of deliberate foul play, make it yellow with automatic citing.
In effect, that's just raising the standard for red cards.
Yes. We know foul play when we see it.
Richard Loe gouging eyes or crushing someone nose, deliberate filth. Send him off.
Someone falling on their head in a contested kick, or fracturing their scull in 2 places while ducking into a double tackle? I, as a rugby 'consumer' don't fucking care. They're grown men voluntarily playing a contact sport . I can accept unwanted outcomes from genuine, or even passably genuine actions.
Find a way to make this sport work.
No matter how many Will Smith movies, BOD almost dieing, and Alistair Campbell's screechng journos who were putty in his hands .
Find a way, because this sport is getting shit.
Maybe for these kind of 'behavioural change' issues they have stricter bans? Say any accidental or careless contact with a jumper is a penalty on the field but followed up with an automatic 8 week ban; no hearings, appeals, or exacerbating or mitigating factors. Just learn to time your run. Still a heavy disincentive for the player but without ruining the game.
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@justanotherfan said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
How much do you pay the refs?
Fuck off. He never tried to catch the ball. Barret could have been seriously hurt. Stamp that shite out.
@baron-silas-greenback said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@justanotherfan said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
How much do you pay the refs?
Fuck off. He never tried to catch the ball. Barret could have been seriously hurt. Stamp that shite out.
Did you ban that idiot?
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The small explosions you can hear all the way from the UK after that Red Card are from Stephen Jones brain....
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
The small explosions you can hear all the way from the UK after that Red Card are from Stephen Jones brain....
Oxymoron
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Thats the difference between looking to make something happen for yourself (DMC) and looking to set up someone else (Reiko, ALB).
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@dingo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Thats the difference between looking to make something happen for yourself (DMC) and looking to set up someone else (Reiko, ALB).
Eh? Who started that move and put Rieko into space?
@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@dingo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Thats the difference between looking to make something happen for yourself (DMC) and looking to set up someone else (Reiko, ALB).
Eh? Who started that move and put Rieko into space?
Yep, attracted two defenders and recognised it.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
That sending off is correct under the rules but bloody harsh. The player is in a position to catch the ball, he just doesn't put himself in danger by jumping in the air. Meanwhile Beauden jumps on top of him and gets away with nothing.
What drugs are you on? Beaudy was in the air when Fall arrived.
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Shit Cane gonna go for that
Lucky Parra didn't land on his head.
Huh? That's exactly my point. Beauden puts himself in a dangerous position. If Beauden wasn't there jumping at his head, the French player would have caught the ball. So it makes no sense to say he wasn't in a position to catch it. Rugby should just ban jumping for the ball if it is so inherently dangerous.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
That sending off is correct under the rules but bloody harsh. The player is in a position to catch the ball, he just doesn't put himself in danger by jumping in the air. Meanwhile Beauden jumps on top of him and gets away with nothing.
What drugs are you on? Beaudy was in the air when Fall arrived.
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Shit Cane gonna go for that
Lucky Parra didn't land on his head.
Huh? That's exactly my point. Beauden puts himself in a dangerous position. If Beauden wasn't there jumping at his head, the French player would have caught the ball. So it makes no sense to say he wasn't in a position to catch it. Rugby should just ban jumping for the ball if it is so inherently dangerous.
But he was. That's the point. Fall had a responsibility not to careen into him.
It's not about intent. A high tackle is not often intentional but can still be a card.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@dingo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Thats the difference between looking to make something happen for yourself (DMC) and looking to set up someone else (Reiko, ALB).
That’s harsh because he helped make the space for Rieko to use there.
I think he’s been pretty good. Some runs for himself, but also some good kicks and well-timed passes. He’s certainly not the reason we are playing poorly.
Sorry, but can't agree. It was always on out wide and DMC actually almost wasted the opportunity to my mind. I'd also suggest that the DMC pass was within a gnat's pubic hair of being within intercept range.
@dingo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@dingo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Thats the difference between looking to make something happen for yourself (DMC) and looking to set up someone else (Reiko, ALB).
That’s harsh because he helped make the space for Rieko to use there.
I think he’s been pretty good. Some runs for himself, but also some good kicks and well-timed passes. He’s certainly not the reason we are playing poorly.
Sorry, but can't agree. It was always on out wide and DMC actually almost wasted the opportunity to my mind. I'd also suggest that the DMC pass was within a gnat's pubic hair of being within intercept range.
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