All Blacks v France Test 3
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@tim said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
What we would give for Luatua at 8.
Maybe you shouldn't have been such a prick, eh Steve?
We've got a noted metre eater there - for the 7 minutes he gets on the field, apparently.
Anyway, Akira was holding hit pads in the warm ups so assume Hansen will parachute him into the test team. Bahahahahahaha.
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@tim said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
What we would give for Luatua at 8.
Maybe you shouldn't have been such a prick, eh Steve?
We've got a noted metre eater there - for the 7 minutes he gets on the field, apparently.
Anyway, Akira was holding hit pads in the warm ups so assume Hansen will parachute him into the test team. Bahahahahahaha.
@nepia If (as I suspect) Hansen picked Frizell partly to send a message to Akira, then his bluff has been well and truly called by the injuries.
If they don't use Akira, we're looking at something like:
Moody, Taylor, Franks, Barrett, Whitelock, Frizell, Cane, Whitelock
Tuikaunafe, Riccitelli, Tu'ungafasi, Romano, Savea
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Riccitelli has been called in for Harris (partner having a baby).
Beaudie and Squire not going to Dunedin.
Hemopo brought in as injury cover.
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Given presence of Franklin and Frizell in squad, not quite sure what to make of Hemopo's selection as a 5/6, notionally replacing Squire. It seems to have been an AB plan to play a 5/6 in the third, results permitting, so does this mean the two Fs haven't shown up in squad training, or that Frizell is locked in to start?
Likewise, wasn't Coltman training with the squad to cover Harris's situation? If so, why has Riccatelli leapfrogged him?
Or are they worried about food wastage?
Starting eight shaping like Moody/Taylor/Franks/SamuelW/Barrett (S)/Cane/Frizell/Whitelock (L). No power lock, which is why I think our scrum struggled a bit while Maestri was on, and a less than intimidating bunch of loosies. I suppose Cane and LukeW have played together a bit, which would makes it easier for Frizell on debut.
Fifth forward benchwarmer will be interesting, given Romero, Franklin and Hemopo to choose from.
I'd be quite tempted to give Scott Barrett a rest and start Romero. -
@nepia If (as I suspect) Hansen picked Frizell partly to send a message to Akira, then his bluff has been well and truly called by the injuries.
If they don't use Akira, we're looking at something like:
Moody, Taylor, Franks, Barrett, Whitelock, Frizell, Cane, Whitelock
Tuikaunafe, Riccitelli, Tu'ungafasi, Romano, Savea
@chris-b What message would that send? We'll pick a guy who does less work on attack, defence on and off the ball - the only thing Frizell has over Akira is that he's experienced at sitting on his arse waiting to go on the field.
I actually hope Frizell has a superstar game this weekend because if he doesn't then I'm worried about the mental state of our coaches.
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Given presence of Franklin and Frizell in squad, not quite sure what to make of Hemopo's selection as a 5/6, notionally replacing Squire. It seems to have been an AB plan to play a 5/6 in the third, results permitting, so does this mean the two Fs haven't shown up in squad training, or that Frizell is locked in to start?
Likewise, wasn't Coltman training with the squad to cover Harris's situation? If so, why has Riccatelli leapfrogged him?
Or are they worried about food wastage?
Starting eight shaping like Moody/Taylor/Franks/SamuelW/Barrett (S)/Cane/Frizell/Whitelock (L). No power lock, which is why I think our scrum struggled a bit while Maestri was on, and a less than intimidating bunch of loosies. I suppose Cane and LukeW have played together a bit, which would makes it easier for Frizell on debut.
Fifth forward benchwarmer will be interesting, given Romero, Franklin and Hemopo to choose from.
I'd be quite tempted to give Scott Barrett a rest and start Romero.@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Likewise, wasn't Coltman training with the squad to cover Harris's situation? If so, why has Riccatelli leapfrogged him?
Has he leapfrogged him? I assumed he was brought in to fill the third hooker gap. Good on the guy but I'm disturbed to see him there. When he's on it looks like an over-fed toddler has invaded the pitch.
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@chris-b What message would that send? We'll pick a guy who does less work on attack, defence on and off the ball - the only thing Frizell has over Akira is that he's experienced at sitting on his arse waiting to go on the field.
I actually hope Frizell has a superstar game this weekend because if he doesn't then I'm worried about the mental state of our coaches.
@nepia said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I actually hope Frizell has a superstar game this weekend because if he doesn't then I'm worried about the mental state of our coaches.
Yeah, I hope so too. This panel is in danger of building a record of knee-jerk selections that they then can't gracefully back out of.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Likewise, wasn't Coltman training with the squad to cover Harris's situation? If so, why has Riccatelli leapfrogged him?
Has he leapfrogged him? I assumed he was brought in to fill the third hooker gap. Good on the guy but I'm disturbed to see him there. When he's on it looks like an over-fed toddler has invaded the pitch.
@marty said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Likewise, wasn't Coltman training with the squad to cover Harris's situation? If so, why has Riccatelli leapfrogged him?
Has he leapfrogged him? I assumed he was brought in to fill the third hooker gap. Good on the guy but I'm disturbed to see him there. When he's on it looks like an over-fed toddler has invaded the pitch.
I chortled extremely hard at this comment.
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Yeah surely Coltman moves up to the bench hooker spot rather than RR.
God knows what the order is in the loosies now. Wouldn't surprise me if Hemopo has leapfrogged Akira.Ps. I've got even less sympathy for the Frenchy who got red carded now that BB is likely out for the third test.
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All these loose forwards being picked probably indicates they have always held doubts about Squire and Fifita. Damn shame Taufua is out. Much better than Whitelock.
Kind of ridiculous how Akira is not being given a chance. Hansen and co. are being very stubborn here.
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All these loose forwards being picked probably indicates they have always held doubts about Squire and Fifita. Damn shame Taufua is out. Much better than Whitelock.
Kind of ridiculous how Akira is not being given a chance. Hansen and co. are being very stubborn here.
@frank said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
All these loose forwards being picked probably indicates they have always held doubts about Squire and Fifita. Damn shame Taufua is out. Much better than Whitelock.
Kind of ridiculous how Akira is not being given a chance. Hansen and co. are being very stubborn here.
The is obviously something other than 'dickhead' that is holding Akira back. The coaches have had him in camp a lot. He trains with them both on the paddock and in the gym.
If, as some people think, he is a dickhead I doubt he would be there so much. -
@chris-b What message would that send? We'll pick a guy who does less work on attack, defence on and off the ball - the only thing Frizell has over Akira is that he's experienced at sitting on his arse waiting to go on the field.
I actually hope Frizell has a superstar game this weekend because if he doesn't then I'm worried about the mental state of our coaches.
@nepia said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@chris-b What message would that send? We'll pick a guy who does less work on attack, defence on and off the ball - the only thing Frizell has over Akira is that he's experienced at sitting on his arse waiting to go on the field.
I actually hope Frizell has a superstar game this weekend because if he doesn't then I'm worried about the mental state of our coaches.
Sort whatever it is we don't like about you out or we'll pick someone like Frizell ahead of you.
As I've said all along, I'm baffled by that selection - it's not related to on-the-field performance.
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@frank said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
All these loose forwards being picked probably indicates they have always held doubts about Squire and Fifita. Damn shame Taufua is out. Much better than Whitelock.
Kind of ridiculous how Akira is not being given a chance. Hansen and co. are being very stubborn here.
The is obviously something other than 'dickhead' that is holding Akira back. The coaches have had him in camp a lot. He trains with them both on the paddock and in the gym.
If, as some people think, he is a dickhead I doubt he would be there so much.@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@frank said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
All these loose forwards being picked probably indicates they have always held doubts about Squire and Fifita. Damn shame Taufua is out. Much better than Whitelock.
Kind of ridiculous how Akira is not being given a chance. Hansen and co. are being very stubborn here.
The is obviously something other than 'dickhead' that is holding Akira back. The coaches have had him in camp a lot. He trains with them both on the paddock and in the gym.
If, as some people think, he is a dickhead I doubt he would be there so much.Maybe it runs in the family? After all little bro gets punched by his own teammates.
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@frank said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
All these loose forwards being picked probably indicates they have always held doubts about Squire and Fifita. Damn shame Taufua is out. Much better than Whitelock.
Kind of ridiculous how Akira is not being given a chance. Hansen and co. are being very stubborn here.
The is obviously something other than 'dickhead' that is holding Akira back. The coaches have had him in camp a lot. He trains with them both on the paddock and in the gym.
If, as some people think, he is a dickhead I doubt he would be there so much.@crucial
My theory is they are purposely holding him back to make him hungrier and reform his attitude because they see part of him still not being a team man. Perhaps the theory is he was so talented for his age that he has never had to think in terms of a team, so still plays like an individual in some ways. I remember, after they won the JWC, Scott Robertson expressing a bit of exasperation that Akira doesn't really play to the team pattern (even though they won). Not sure this is still true though. -
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Likewise, wasn't Coltman training with the squad to cover Harris's situation? If so, why has Riccatelli leapfrogged him?
Has he leapfrogged him? I assumed he was brought in to fill the third hooker gap. Good on the guy but I'm disturbed to see him there. When he's on it looks like an over-fed toddler has invaded the pitch.
@marty said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Likewise, wasn't Coltman training with the squad to cover Harris's situation? If so, why has Riccatelli leapfrogged him?
Has he leapfrogged him? I assumed he was brought in to fill the third hooker gap. Good on the guy but I'm disturbed to see him there. When he's on it looks like an over-fed toddler has invaded the pitch.
I also assumed that, but looking at AB.com Colatman is not listed as in the squad, unlike Franklin, and OFT was plainly said to be added to squad. Who knows?
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@crucial
My theory is they are purposely holding him back to make him hungrier and reform his attitude because they see part of him still not being a team man. Perhaps the theory is he was so talented for his age that he has never had to think in terms of a team, so still plays like an individual in some ways. I remember, after they won the JWC, Scott Robertson expressing a bit of exasperation that Akira doesn't really play to the team pattern (even though they won). Not sure this is still true though.@frank said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@crucial
My theory is they are purposely holding him back to make him hungrier and reform his attitude because they see part of him still not being not a team man. Perhaps the theory is he was so talented for his age that he has never had to think in terms of a team, so still plays like an individual in some ways. I remember after they won the JWC and Scott Robertson expressing a bit of exasperation that Akira doesn't really play to the team pattern (even though they won). Not sure this is still true though.That would make a lot of sense. If it was straight no dickheads he wouldn't be training with them.
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Bit of a different feel this close to a WC , not saying its doom and gloom , far from it ,
but the last couple , things have felt more settled selection wise
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Bit of a different feel this close to a WC , not saying its doom and gloom , far from it ,
but the last couple , things have felt more settled selection wise
When you have quite a few 100 test vets in your group, things are going to seem far more settled...
We’ve had a turnover of those players and I think all things considered we’re pretty fortunate to still have the likes of O. Franks, Whitelock, Read still around.
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@marty said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Likewise, wasn't Coltman training with the squad to cover Harris's situation? If so, why has Riccatelli leapfrogged him?
Has he leapfrogged him? I assumed he was brought in to fill the third hooker gap. Good on the guy but I'm disturbed to see him there. When he's on it looks like an over-fed toddler has invaded the pitch.
I also assumed that, but looking at AB.com Colatman is not listed as in the squad, unlike Franklin, and OFT was plainly said to be added to squad. Who knows?
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@marty said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Likewise, wasn't Coltman training with the squad to cover Harris's situation? If so, why has Riccatelli leapfrogged him?
Has he leapfrogged him? I assumed he was brought in to fill the third hooker gap. Good on the guy but I'm disturbed to see him there. When he's on it looks like an over-fed toddler has invaded the pitch.
I also assumed that, but looking at AB.com Colatman is not listed as in the squad, unlike Franklin, and OFT was plainly said to be added to squad. Who knows?
From the team naming:
As well as the 33-man squad, two other players will assemble with the squad. Highlanders hooker Liam Coltman, will come in as paternity cover for Nathan Harris, whose partner is expecting a baby during the Steinlager Series; while Blues loose forward Akira Ioane will assemble as well, with the All Blacks selectors wanting to take the opportunity to continue his development at international level.
