All Blacks v France Test #2
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Haven't read the thread only just watched the game. Really nice of them to dedicate it to Shields with it being at the tin and him getting his first start. Toaster hands all around.
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Haven't read the thread only just watched the game. Really nice of them to dedicate it to Shields with it being at the tin and him getting his first start. Toaster hands all around.
Yep was just thinking that after I watched England and Shields get mullered.
Right now Aus doesn't look that crash-hot either.Reckon come RWC time 40% of this current AB team won't be there, and the main challenge will come from the Boks.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Haven't read the thread only just watched the game. Really nice of them to dedicate it to Shields with it being at the tin and him getting his first start. Toaster hands all around.
Yep was just thinking that after I watched England and Shields get mullered.
Right now Aus doesn't look that crash-hot either.Reckon come RWC time 40% of this current AB team won't be there, and the main challenge will come from the Boks.
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Went to the game and watched the replay last night. Looked waaay tidier onscreen compared to watching live, where it was disjointed and a pretty average watch. Some good periods but those felt few and far between. RC pretty much killed the vibe in the stadium.
Felt like we thought it'd be easy to crack them afterwards but France amped up and our accuracy and patience went to shit.
Don't blame the ref but am liking these ideas of taking the player off and allowing a replacement after 20min. So there is a clear punishment, but we don't totally ruin the contest.
Deliberate foul play should still get the status quo though.@paekakboyz said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Went to the game and watched the replay last night. Looked waaay tidier onscreen compared to watching live, where it was disjointed and a pretty average watch. Some good periods but those felt few and far between. RC pretty much killed the vibe in the stadium.
Felt like we thought it'd be easy to crack them afterwards but France amped up and our accuracy and patience went to shit.
Don't blame the ref but am liking these ideas of taking the player off and allowing a replacement after 20min. So there is a clear punishment, but we don't totally ruin the contest.
Deliberate foul play should still get the status quo though.It was pretty morgue like after the red card, eh. Was actually bored, highlight was moody try.
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@nepia Fall was never getting that before BB, peripheral vision helps alot, how did he avoid other players but not be aware of where BB was if he couldnt pull out?
I have no issue with the RC as it was dangerous, however as I said earlier, in an incident like that, I feel that FRance get to send a replacement on after 10/20 mins, but that guy is out of the game.
IMO, RC for the rest of the game should be for punches, kicks, gouges etc, these are different and as such should be treated differently and he will now likely be punished further when he fronts up to the judiciary.
Otherwise as it turned out last night, the French guy was punished, as were the rest of both teams and the millions that chose to watch it.
@taniwharugby I agree with you that red card should be reserved for kicks and punches etc.
But, I think people are forgetting the speed of rugby game - if you're running tracking a ball that you think you're getting to there may only be a split second before you realise that you're not going to make it. I think it can come down to luck, then it's luck again depending on how a guy lands whether you go off for 10 minutes or for the whole match. Then there's the jump forwarders (not saying BB did this but it happens) who cut out the space but are actually the ones causing the danger, yet it's always the lower jumper/on the ground guy who gets sanctioned.
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You can't ban jumping for the ball, but you could ban leaping while on the run. Two guys jumping side by side only hurt each other if an ankleor knee is twisted on landing or one guy deliberately pulls at the other.
It's not that Barrett is high that causes the problem, but at that speed there's a huge path along which any contact is going to tip him.
Either that or the defender needs to be given priority to catch before an attacker.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@donsteppa said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Arse throw from Harris
Where's Aumua?
Too early for that boy
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@shadowtrooper so they're going to drop 6-7 starters and 3-4 off the bench? Who?
@bones Right I think the Squire/Fifita experiment is over, Harris, Whitelock L are not AB quality.
Others have been put on notice - Crotty, TJ,P Ardie and even Scott Barrett all need to wkae themselves up. Fifita. Crotty and Squire seem to spend most of their time down injured anyway. And BFA just looks... well, OLD.
We have Read, BBBR, SBW still to return and maybe an injection of new blood from the saviour Frizell (I jest) and Aumua (Taylor was in his infancy at RWC 2015) will help,
Seriously though, we need more GRAFTERS, workhorses and unsung heroes prepared to roll their sleeves up and do the dirty work, We seem to have too many faffing around *Ardies I'm looking at you) ready to grab glory rather than getting in amongst it. -
Hansen talking about the RC
https://www.facebook.com/nigelyaldennz/videos/897164823804389/
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@bones Right I think the Squire/Fifita experiment is over, Harris, Whitelock L are not AB quality.
Others have been put on notice - Crotty, TJ,P Ardie and even Scott Barrett all need to wkae themselves up. Fifita. Crotty and Squire seem to spend most of their time down injured anyway. And BFA just looks... well, OLD.
We have Read, BBBR, SBW still to return and maybe an injection of new blood from the saviour Frizell (I jest) and Aumua (Taylor was in his infancy at RWC 2015) will help,
Seriously though, we need more GRAFTERS, workhorses and unsung heroes prepared to roll their sleeves up and do the dirty work, We seem to have too many faffing around *Ardies I'm looking at you) ready to grab glory rather than getting in amongst it.@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@bones Right I think the Squire/Fifita experiment is over, Harris, Whitelock L are not AB quality.
Others have been put on notice - Crotty, TJ,P Ardie and even Scott Barrett all need to wkae themselves up. Fifita. Crotty and Squire seem to spend most of their time down injured anyway. And BFA just looks... well, OLD.
We have Read, BBBR, SBW still to return and maybe an injection of new blood from the saviour Frizell (I jest) and Aumua (Taylor was in his infancy at RWC 2015) will help,
Seriously though, we need more GRAFTERS, workhorses and unsung heroes prepared to roll their sleeves up and do the dirty work, We seem to have too many faffing around *Ardies I'm looking at you) ready to grab glory rather than getting in amongst it.You think they'll drop them both?
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@donsteppa said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Arse throw from Harris
Where's Aumua?
Too early for that boy
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@donsteppa said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Arse throw from Harris
Where's Aumua?
Too early for that boy
Aumua has been injured otherwise there is little doubt he would be in the squad.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@donsteppa said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Arse throw from Harris
Where's Aumua?
Too early for that boy
Aumua has been injured otherwise there is little doubt he would be in the squad.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@donsteppa said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Arse throw from Harris
Where's Aumua?
Too early for that boy
Aumua has been injured otherwise there is little doubt he would be in the squad.
I reckon there is huge doubt over him at this stage. He may have been selected but i think it would’ve been highly likely he wouldn’t play.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@nepia Fall was never getting that before BB, peripheral vision helps alot, how did he avoid other players but not be aware of where BB was if he couldnt pull out?
I have no issue with the RC as it was dangerous, however as I said earlier, in an incident like that, I feel that FRance get to send a replacement on after 10/20 mins, but that guy is out of the game.
IMO, RC for the rest of the game should be for punches, kicks, gouges etc, these are different and as such should be treated differently and he will now likely be punished further when he fronts up to the judiciary.
Otherwise as it turned out last night, the French guy was punished, as were the rest of both teams and the millions that chose to watch it.
That's an interesting idea worth pursuing. Right now it's 10 minutes or game. Maybe something Inbetween? 20 minutes.
Ten minutes for the player but then he has to be subbed off for the rest of the game. Moriarty's actions this morning should still be a straight red.
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Moriarty's actions this morning should still be a straight red.
Wrong thread I know, but Moriaty's behaviour was utterly bizarre. It was so bad it was almost comical. Def a Red and probbly a few weeks ban.
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@MiketheSnow Fall could have avoided the collision by checking his run. The current laws have actually outlawed "only having eyes on the ball". They've mandated that players must be more aware when chasing high balls. And that's what he was doing - chasing, whereas Beauden was fielding the kick. The duty of care is on the chaser.
They did that to stop players clattering into their opposition while staring at the sky and then claiming innocence.
I don't for a second believe Fall intentionally tried to injure Beauden. But as it stands Beauden landed on his head and was concussed.
And you can bet your ass next time Fall is chasing a high ball like that he will check his run and avoid the collision, which is exactly the behaviour WR is trying to encourage with this.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@MiketheSnow Fall could have avoided the collision by checking his run. The current laws have actually outlawed "only having eyes on the ball". They've mandated that players must be more aware when chasing high balls. And that's what he was doing - chasing, whereas Beauden was fielding the kick. The duty of care is on the chaser.
They did that to stop players clattering into their opposition while staring at the sky and then claiming innocence.
I don't for a second believe Fall intentionally tried to injure Beauden. But as it stands Beauden landed on his head and was concussed.
And you can bet your ass next time Fall is chasing a high ball like that he will check his run and avoid the collision, which is exactly the behaviour WR is trying to encourage with this.
Fair enough.
Best explanation yet.
No argument from me after that.
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This morning's press conference.
Especially interesting from 4'36'', particularly what Hansen says about asking players, who have just come back from injury, to "double up". They don't have many options from props, but other options like Sam Cane's, there they have options.
I think Matt Todd may get a run on Saturday ...
Further about two players contesting for the ball (the red card situation), and briefly about next week's selection (from 13'25").
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Forgive me for intimating we might take a leaf out of AFL books, but surely those crazies have a rule to reduce the carnage which might otherwise result from their marking antics?
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Forgive me for intimating we might take a leaf out of AFL books, but surely those crazies have a rule to reduce the carnage which might otherwise result from their marking antics?
Like thou shalt not tackle below the waist?
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Hansen talking about the RC
https://www.facebook.com/nigelyaldennz/videos/897164823804389/
@taniwharugby Hansen basically echoed all my thoughts - including my scenario of the same team players taking out each other and the fact that the outcome shouldn't determine the sanction of the action.
Since we're so in sync (Tongan Frizell aside) he might take my selectorial advice for next weekend.
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From my armchair view Cane looked spent early in the test. Not sure what the deal is, but he looked noticeably off the pace.
Squire was pretty good last week and put in the grunt work, but we are going to have to live with some inconsistency given the lack of experience. Look at the loosies in previous years that had up and down form - Vito, Thomson, Luatua, Messam (before he became a starter)
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Forgive me for intimating we might take a leaf out of AFL books, but surely those crazies have a rule to reduce the carnage which might otherwise result from their marking antics?
Like thou shalt not tackle below the waist?
@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Forgive me for intimating we might take a leaf out of AFL books, but surely those crazies have a rule to reduce the carnage which might otherwise result from their marking antics?
Like thou shalt not tackle below the waist?
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2016-03-17/2017-laws-of-the-game-protection-of-the-ball-player
