All Blacks v France Test 3
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@mariner4life North Queensland.
Nailed it bruss
D'yall have six fingers and toes?
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I’m not suggesting dmac replace beaudy, far from it ,
But it is worth noting he gave our backline a different shape last night
Yes but....that was only because our bloody pack fronted this week
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I’m not suggesting dmac replace beaudy, far from it ,
But it is worth noting he gave our backline a different shape last night
Yes but....that was only because our bloody pack fronted this week
It allowed him to play better , yes ,
But i was talking about his passing game gave us a different look
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Much better performance tonight. Especially with all the new guys in the team.
Scott Barrett my MOTM. Don't see why people are saying he is too slow to cover 6. Not like Kaino was fast. Would much rather a strong tackler/strong carrier and lineout option with good ball skills over a flaah open field runner like Fifita.Dmac was also good. Still had some poor moments but for the most part he was playing like a 10.
Hopefully he and Richie can both develop so we have some good depth at 10.SBW was looking really good. Unfortunate that he got hurt. Think our backline balance with a strong runner at 12 to bend the line.
Thought Goodhue was decent on debut. Especially second half. Hemopo good on debut and i thought Frizzell wasn't as bad as has been said on here but still not seeing what he has over Akira.
Hopefully this is the last time we see Todd miss a squad. Time to have him on the bench in the top team.
Rieko was bloody good again. So much gas. Looked good at centre too.
Think people are jumping the gun on calling Ben Smith past it. He is still a fucking good rugby player.
And while Naholo wasn't great on D tonight he is still a bloody good winger to have in the squad.One and only thing i will say about the ref/tmo: The Frizzell no try was bullshit. Sure if the ref goes upstairs and says can you see a grounding? And the tmo can't see it you don't give the try. But when the ref said he saw it you don't interrupt then overturn the call because you aren't sure if he got it or not. There was no clear held up just like there was no grounding. So go with the refs call ffs.
Also the NZ anthem was awful. I hate the slow warbling opera types.
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@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Did remind me though. Is Franks that bad at taking the ball up that they have just given up on working with him? He's dropping to the floor at the slightest hint of a tackle and never attempts any kind of leg drive. Surely the coaches can improve that easily?
I remember chatting with old fern mate Red Beard about this. It is a mystery why someone so strong in the gym ( particularly at Olympic style lifting ) has all the impact of a fly hitting a windshield when taking the ball up. If it hasn't improved by now I doubt it ever will.
@mn5 said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Did remind me though. Is Franks that bad at taking the ball up that they have just given up on working with him? He's dropping to the floor at the slightest hint of a tackle and never attempts any kind of leg drive. Surely the coaches can improve that easily?
I remember chatting with old fern mate Red Beard about this. It is a mystery why someone so strong in the gym ( particularly at Olympic style lifting ) has all the impact of a fly hitting a windshield when taking the ball up. If it hasn't improved by now I doubt it ever will.
Most of the guys you speak of are very slow at point of impact , hard to generate that type of power when you are hardly moving
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Not like Kaino was fast.
JK was not a bad sprinter at school.
And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
France
I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level
If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)
He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.
I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise
he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ
We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
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I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level
If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)
He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.
I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise
he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ
We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way
The poor Blues. We're already taking the Ioane off their hands because Fern favourite Blake Gibson is a bully.
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Serin movement before ball is out
You can see that Lacey has finished refereeing the scrum and now wants to back out of the way towards the French posts, but Serin has moved too soon and is blocking him.It's hard to exonerate a ref who has got in the way, but it looks to me like he is doing an orthodox move.
Interestingly I don't think Lacey himself really knew the law on 'refereeing obstruction' judging by the question he asked the TMO. To be fair not many did, including myself.
Alternative angle
If Smith had dummied and gone himself - while the lossies were out of the picture, I think he would have been tackled before the line by the cover defence, McKenzie was hitting that at pace. Smart play by Smith.!
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More gifs, I've discovered a new toy. But I'm struggling with embedding them on here .....
Serin movement before ball is out
You can see that Lacey has finished refereeing the scrum and now wants to back out of the way towards the French posts, but Serin has moved too soon and is blocking him.It's hard to exonerate a ref who has got in the way, but it looks to me like he is doing an orthodox move.
Interestingly I don't think Lacey himself really knew the law on 'refereeing obstruction' judging by the question he asked the TMO. To be fair not many did, including myself.
Alternative angle
If Smith had dummied and gone himself - while the lossies were out of the picture, I think he would have been tackled before the line by the cover defence, McKenzie was hitting that at pace. Smart play by Smith.!
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That's a perfect attack. Scrum wheeled to take the loosies out. Halfback isolated by a beautiful unders line at pace by DMac, and SBW/Ioane holding their width. The only thing you can really hammer the French for is the fullback committing to go right far too early, worried about SBW and an offload? Beautiful piece of rugby.
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
More gifs, I've discovered a new toy. But I'm struggling with embedding them on here .....
You were just missing the .gif on those links
@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
More gifs, I've discovered a new toy. But I'm struggling with embedding them on here .....
You were just missing the .gif on those links
Thanks. Sorted.
Next. Watch out world when I learn how to put flashing yellow arrows on my gifs.
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More gifs, I've discovered a new toy. But I'm struggling with embedding them on here .....
Serin movement before ball is out
You can see that Lacey has finished refereeing the scrum and now wants to back out of the way towards the French posts, but Serin has moved too soon and is blocking him.It's hard to exonerate a ref who has got in the way, but it looks to me like he is doing an orthodox move.
Interestingly I don't think Lacey himself really knew the law on 'refereeing obstruction' judging by the question he asked the TMO. To be fair not many did, including myself.
Alternative angle
If Smith had dummied and gone himself - while the lossies were out of the picture, I think he would have been tackled before the line by the cover defence, McKenzie was hitting that at pace. Smart play by Smith.!
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@rapido dunno he was slip streaming the Dmac line so likely woulda dotted down momentarily later.
Still thing the French 9 has contributed by pushing the ref toward Dmacs line and making the referees positioning worse.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
Still thing the French 9 has contributed by pushing the ref toward Dmacs line and making the referees positioning worse.
Absolutely he has.
Serin has broken early, offside, preventing Lacey from getting out of the way. If he had waited 1 second and broken from the scrum legally then Lacey would be out of the way. But the huge gap would have been there for DMac.
A great try optically ruined as I said in an earlier post.
Lacey will be/is getting slaughtered in the media and social media. I'd have more sympathy for him if he had his wits about him and communicated that the defender hitting him was irrelevant or that Serin caused the contact. But he didn't, he asked the TMO to check if he blocked the tackler and then decided that he didn't 'materially' effect the play.
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I think I'm the only fan of Justin Marshall's commentary on the fern, but he did a great disservice on Saturday night.
I admit i had the same thoughts as all 3 in-game commentators at the time. I didn't watch the half time show. it wasn't until hours later when I read posts on here and other sites that ref had no choice.
Too late .....
I still like Justin though, I can forgive the odd rules clanger for the other upsides he brings to the commentary. This was a big clanger though.
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I think I'm the only fan of Justin Marshall's commentary on the fern, but he did a great disservice on Saturday night.
I admit i had the same thoughts as all 3 in-game commentators at the time. I didn't watch the half time show. it wasn't until hours later when I read posts on here and other sites that ref had no choice.
Too late .....
I still like Justin though, I can forgive the odd rules clanger for the other upsides he brings to the commentary. This was a big clanger though.
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
I can forgive the odd rules clanger
London to a brick if he says one thing, the law says the other.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
Andrew Mehrtens can do that. I would much rather listen to Andrew Mehtrens. He has the humour of a slightly dodgy raconteur combined with a razor sharp analysis and, crucially, a knowledge of the actual laws as opposed to the ones in Marshall World. Why can't we have more Andrew Mehrtens?
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@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
I agree with you. Marshall is great at interpreting set piece formations and options. But the rest of the time he should shut the hell up. I wonder if he'd be better in a sideline role?
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@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
Andrew Mehrtens can do that. I would much rather listen to Andrew Mehtrens. He has the humour of a slightly dodgy raconteur combined with a razor sharp analysis and, crucially, a knowledge of the actual laws as opposed to the ones in Marshall World. Why can't we have more Andrew Mehrtens?
@marty said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:
the other upsides he brings to the commentary.
Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.
Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.
Andrew Mehrtens can do that. I would much rather listen to Andrew Mehtrens. He has the humour of a slightly dodgy raconteur combined with a razor sharp analysis and, crucially, a knowledge of the actual laws as opposed to the ones in Marshall World. Why can't we have more Andrew Mehrtens?
No he fucking can't.
Mehtrens is actually exactly who I am thinking of when I think of shit comments men who don't anticipate plays or tell me why expected things aren't happening.
I've posted before on a Hurricanes v Crusaders match last year right during the height of the Beauden kick-pass fad. Hurricanes didn't attempt one all night, I have no idea why because Mehrts was thinking up his next joke rather than giving us any insight on positionings.
No physical contact made though. The try stood.
