All Blacks v France Test 3

[Rapido]

@marty said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

the other upsides he brings to the commentary.

Seriously. He is by far the best out there describing what plays it looks like teams are attempting to set up, what's going on off screen tactically and positionally, or what has happened. He's very quick to spot this shit.

Me and my 32 inch screen and open plan lounge value his input. Maybe you guys spot shit I totally miss until Sir Justin brings it to my attention.

Andrew Mehrtens can do that. I would much rather listen to Andrew Mehtrens. He has the humour of a slightly dodgy raconteur combined with a razor sharp analysis and, crucially, a knowledge of the actual laws as opposed to the ones in Marshall World. Why can't we have more Andrew Mehrtens?

No he fucking can't.

Mehtrens is actually exactly who I am thinking of when I think of shit comments men who don't anticipate plays or tell me why expected things aren't happening.

I've posted before on a Hurricanes v Crusaders match last year right during the height of the Beauden kick-pass fad. Hurricanes didn't attempt one all night, I have no idea why because Mehrts was thinking up his next joke rather than giving us any insight on positionings.

[taniwharugby]

@cyclops as I have always said, when I hear Marshall on RS or he used to do pieces in one of our click bait media outlets, his comments and analysis are insightful and well thought out, but put him in front of a TV mike and Boomfa, whatever comes into his head blurts out (yes still some good shit, but usually hidden behind me oh my yes boi)

[Rapido]

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@cyclops as I have always said, when I hear Marshall on RS or he used to do pieces in one of our click bait media outlets, his comments and analysis are insightful and well thought out, but put him in front of a TV mike and Boomfa, whatever comes into his head blurts out (yes still some good shit, but usually hidden behind me oh my yes boi)

It's really the the rules/laws stuff he needs to take a deep breath before opening his mouth.

The boomfa stuff is harmless. It grown organically I'd say to being self-ridiculing irony (i think, not sure I know irony .....)

He's not a waah baby cheerleader but strays to far in his impartiality sometimes (TBH, probably also covered by point1 - usually this is also him commenting incorrectly on laws that benefit an NZ play)

[Voltron]

@machpants said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@voltron https://www.rugbypass.com/news/blacks-went-full-mckenzie-third-test

Great article!

[booboo]

@wally said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

Not like Kaino was fast.

JK was not a bad sprinter at school.

And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.

The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.

Strictly speaking Power = Force x velocity

ie Power = Work / Time

Work = Force x Distance

P = (F x D) / T

P = F x (D / T)

P = F x velocity.

So velocity is cubed.

[Wally]

@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@wally said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

Not like Kaino was fast.

JK was not a bad sprinter at school.

And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.

The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.

Strictly speaking Power = Force x velocity

ie Power = Work / Time

Work = Force x Distance

P = (F x D) / T

P = F x (D / T)

P = F x velocity.

So velocity is cubed.

I was thinking more of the energy expenditure needed by the tackler to stop someone in their tracks. This would be the same amount of energy as the kinetic energy of the tackled player. In Franks case, due to his low velocity, this is not as much as a lighter but faster player.

[Bones]

@rapido did you miss the bit where he was praising the excellent French scrum? The scrum that had been excellent all series? The scrum that predictably disintegrated immediately after he praised it.

I don't usually think he's too bad, but he was shocking on Saturday. There were a couple of other completely wrong calls and one was on a really simple law, can't remember it now.

[Rapido]

@bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@rapido did you miss the bit where he was praising the excellent French scrum? The scrum that had been excellent all series? The scrum that predictably disintegrated immediately after he praised it.

Yes, I do remember that. I was thinking hmmm that's generous. but to be fair, French scrum was excellent in the second test.

[Bones]

@rapido so he'd scrubbed out all the dodgy scrums from that very game?

[taniwharugby]

Listening to RS on the way home tonight and they posed the question what was your takeaways from this series...

Gorans response was Officiating.

Which made me think about my view on that.

For me, test 1 was marred due to the YC that wasnt, the penalty that probably shoulda been a YC (to either Cane or OFa)
Test 2 marred by the RC that was cancelled, then the 3rd was the referee obstruction that wasnt.

Outside of those, I actually thought the refereeing (not TMOing, aside form the assistance in the RC) in all 3 games was actually pretty good, and think that unfortunately those incidents above have overshadowed what was a pretty good showing.

Obviously the other issue tied to the above, is the actual rules themselves, but that isnt the refs fault.

[cgrant]

Where did Ioane play when SBW went off ? In some phases, it looked as if he was playing centre, in others, right wing. In the first case, the AB backline would have been : J. Barrett, Smith, Ioane, Goodhue, Naholo, in the second : Smith, Ioane, Goodhue, Barrett, Naholo.
Any opinion on this ?

[MN5]

@wally said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@wally said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

Not like Kaino was fast.

JK was not a bad sprinter at school.

And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.

The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.

Strictly speaking Power = Force x velocity

ie Power = Work / Time

Work = Force x Distance

P = (F x D) / T

P = F x (D / T)

P = F x velocity.

So velocity is cubed.

I was thinking more of the energy expenditure needed by the tackler to stop someone in their tracks. This would be the same amount of energy as the kinetic energy of the tackled player. In Franks case, due to his low velocity, this is not as much as a lighter but faster player.

Put more simply I think he's probably too fucked from scrummaging to get a head of steam up.

[Duluth]

@cgrant

Pretty sure it was 13

Goodhue at 12, Smith wing & Barrett fullback

[taniwharugby]

@duluth I think they were moving about alot, which would no doubt added to the defensive headaches, Naholo, Ioane, Smith popping up all over the show...

[Crucial]

The more I think about the so called 'ref obstruction' bullshit the more it annoys me.

Justin Fuckin Marshall needs to rein his mouth in instead of adding fuel to the myth of refs helping ABs. I am certain that if, instead of harping on like a pissy halfback (oh, hang on) he actually did his job as a so called expert and explained how there is no law that calls that back the overseas papers would not have picked up so heavily on the 'ref helping the ABs' headlines.

I have stolen this gif from the other thread which gives much more context to what happened. Watch what happens before the frozen shots that make it look bad. The ref is allowing the defending halfback to go where he wants, the halfback decides he wants to move in between the ref and the scrum so the ref backs away to give him room. The halfback then decides he wants to move back out and pushes the ref further away while still watching the scrum only and covering the inside. It is only when he sees the pass being made that he decides to look out and by then it is far too late.

I looks like he can't get to DMac because the ref is sandwiched there for a split second but he was never going to tackle him anyway. At the most there would be a desperate tap of the leg but DMac would have also seen that coming and avoided it anyway.

I think what annoys me most is that the 'controversy' has taken away from the brilliant timing, manipulation and angles from the ABs to create the situation in the first place.

I managed to pull off a try like this from 10 once and afterward was stunned at how easy it seemed yet it was just (lucky) perfect timing from 9 and 10.

[MajorPom]

I dunno man, my approach on these things is to automatically see how I think I would feel if the opposite occurred.

And I reckon I'd be pretty damn pissed off.

I agree with Hansen that a bit of sanity has to come into proceedings. If Lacey had said "Sorry lads, I got in the way there, lets replay the scrum from the same position", would anybody have been upset?

I'm not sure why what happened before it is totally relevant. The defender is pretty clearly impeded from at least having a crack at DMac.

[Rapido]

@majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

I dunno man, my approach on these things is to automatically see how I think I would feel if the opposite occurred.

Not quite the opposite occurring, but do you put any onus on the player to attempt to fill that hole in a legal way?

Compare Serin in the vid in post above with the direction Smith moves here:

At the time, listening to my good mate Justin, I'm like just call a scrum.
Now. Maybe my back is up, but I'm like; why reward Serin?

[Wreck Diver]

I'm looking at this clip and even before the ball goes in the French half back is already pushing the ref. The ref steps out of his way the halfback then moves back in line with the ref. The half back creates all of his own problems IMO. Did it have any bearing on the result, NO. They still would have lost by 40.

[antipodean]

Look at the alternative suggested by the clamouring halfwits; if a player is slightly impeded by a referee, are you going to stop and play a scrum? How easy would that be to game? Just run into the ref and flail your arms about like you're playing association football.

Serin was never going to get to DMac. Lacey would have needed to be a portal into another dimension.

[cgrant]

@duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

@cgrant

Pretty sure it was 13

Goodhue at 12, Smith wing & Barrett fullback

This is an indication of what Hansen plans for R. Ioane and J. Barrett. The simple solution would have been to slot Barrett in midfield as a replacement for SBW. But it did not happen.
Hi Bones, does this make you change your mind ?