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  • boobooB booboo

    Read the Johannsen article regarding the coaching course:

    Her elevation to the Ferns top job followed a controversial, and some might suggest bungled, appointment process that saw two coaches with more impressive records - Noeline Taurua and Julie Fitzgerald - overlooked for reasons unrelated to performance.

    According to a former player close to the appointments process, Southby wowed in her presentation to the panel. She was well-prepared, well-researched and presented highly detailed plans of how she would bolster the Silver Ferns programme. The appointments panel also seemed to be unduly swayed by Southby having come through High Performance Sport NZ's coach accelerator programme alongside All Blacks coach Steve Hansen and Black Caps mentor Mike Hesson.

    The high performance jargon and deep knowledge of coaching theory may have impressed the panel, but what they failed to consider was how that would translate in her dealings with the players. In other words, is this a coach that would command the locker room?

    Had then-CEO Hillary Poole and former high performance manager Steve Lancaster - two ambitious administrators on whistle-stop appointments - placed more stock on the opinion of people within the sport, they would have arrived at a very different decision.

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    @booboo said in Netball:

    Read the Johannsen article regarding the coaching course:

    Her elevation to the Ferns top job followed a controversial, and some might suggest bungled, appointment process that saw two coaches with more impressive records - Noeline Taurua and Julie Fitzgerald - overlooked for reasons unrelated to performance.

    According to a former player close to the appointments process, Southby wowed in her presentation to the panel. She was well-prepared, well-researched and presented highly detailed plans of how she would bolster the Silver Ferns programme. The appointments panel also seemed to be unduly swayed by Southby having come through High Performance Sport NZ's coach accelerator programme alongside All Blacks coach Steve Hansen and Black Caps mentor Mike Hesson.

    The high performance jargon and deep knowledge of coaching theory may have impressed the panel, but what they failed to consider was how that would translate in her dealings with the players. In other words, is this a coach that would command the locker room?

    Had then-CEO Hillary Poole and former high performance manager Steve Lancaster - two ambitious administrators on whistle-stop appointments - placed more stock on the opinion of people within the sport, they would have arrived at a very different decision.

    Southby made a great presentation? Just like the Hurricanes board should have been fired for the Hammett hire, heads must roll at NZN (I think the article said most of those responsible have moved on but we need sacrifices!). Bring in a proven coach, not one who's good with powerpoint

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      I can't understand how someone could think that the skills required to do well in an interview would be the same as the skills required to do well as a netball coach. You can say that for a lot of jobs but few are so high profile.

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        The article in the Herald today with the Grant quotes was pretty telling, she pretty much said ‘the coach is shit, no one rates her & she has to go’ without actually saying it.

        Good on her.

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        • H hydro11

          I can't understand how someone could think that the skills required to do well in an interview would be the same as the skills required to do well as a netball coach. You can say that for a lot of jobs but few are so high profile.

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          @hydro11 said in Netball:

          I can't understand how someone could think that the skills required to do well in an interview would be the same as the skills required to do well as a netball coach. You can say that for a lot of jobs but few are so high profile.

          Works every time for Mark Hammett!

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          • GunnerG Gunner

            The article in the Herald today with the Grant quotes was pretty telling, she pretty much said ‘the coach is shit, no one rates her & she has to go’ without actually saying it.

            Good on her.

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            @gunner said in Netball:

            The article in the Herald today with the Grant quotes was pretty telling, she pretty much said ‘the coach is shit, no one rates her & she has to go’ without actually saying it.

            Good on her.

            If a full scale player revolt is what it takes so be it. Southby should go quietly and save everyone the trouble

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            • H hydro11

              I can't understand how someone could think that the skills required to do well in an interview would be the same as the skills required to do well as a netball coach. You can say that for a lot of jobs but few are so high profile.

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              @hydro11 said in Netball:

              I can't understand how someone could think that the skills required to do well in an interview would be the same as the skills required to do well as a netball coach. You can say that for a lot of jobs but few are so high profile.

              I thought we had already learned that lesson with Mitchell and Hammett.
              That article used Hansen and Hesson as equivalent examples but with success. Both of them went through a lot of pain but were good enough to come through eventually. Hansen earned his stripes keeping Wales down while Hesson had the luxury of everyone being used to failure from NZC.

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                Stuart Lancaster is probably another good example of elevating a coach of this 'type' too early.
                Without the success experience to support their ways, player confidence and buy in is eroded quickly.
                Lancaster is now building back into being a very good coach the traditional way.

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                  Southby quits. Sounds like effective immediately.

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/netball/105651613/janine-southby-resigns-as-silver-ferns-coach

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                    Southby has resigned!

                    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/netball/silver-ferns-coach-janine-southby-quits-after-horror-2018-season-saw-team-miss-comm-games-medal

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                      Huzzah!

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                        Worse NZ international coach ever.

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                        • VirgilV Virgil

                          Worse NZ international coach ever.

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                          @virgil to be fair she's unlucky that Tana is in the domestic category...

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                          • VirgilV Virgil

                            Worse NZ international coach ever.

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                            @virgil At least she wasn't saying "the key is the we".

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                              Good riddance. She was a stupid pick from the start, well out of her depth, and clearly the players hated her. You are never going to win anything with that kind of locker room atmosphere.

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                                Worse NZ international coach ever.

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                                @virgil Thou hast a very short memory when it comes to the Kiwis...

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                                • StargazerS Stargazer

                                  Southby has resigned!

                                  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/netball/silver-ferns-coach-janine-southby-quits-after-horror-2018-season-saw-team-miss-comm-games-medal

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                                  @stargazer said in Netball:

                                  Southby has resigned!

                                  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/netball/silver-ferns-coach-janine-southby-quits-after-horror-2018-season-saw-team-miss-comm-games-medal

                                  At least she did the right thing and fell on her sword. Now for the board to follow her out the door

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                                    The key is in the we!! oh, hold on. Wrong sport, wrong coach!

                                    Gets some kudos from me for stepping down, especially if there was any truth to NZ Netball not being able to ditch her and afford the payout. If the payout story is hot air then she's just jumped before being fired.

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                                      http://www.netballnz.co.nz/news/detail/netball-new-zealand-announces-review-findings

                                      Here's the link to the summary of the review.

                                      It's only four pages and quite interesting - especially the paragraph (6) describing the culture Southby tried to implement, which sounds good in theory; the broader observations about high performance culture; and what NNZ proposes to do to address the shortcomings.

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                                      • Chris B.C Chris B.

                                        http://www.netballnz.co.nz/news/detail/netball-new-zealand-announces-review-findings

                                        Here's the link to the summary of the review.

                                        It's only four pages and quite interesting - especially the paragraph (6) describing the culture Southby tried to implement, which sounds good in theory; the broader observations about high performance culture; and what NNZ proposes to do to address the shortcomings.

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                                        @chris-b that reads like quite a sanitised summary. Certainly not much sniff of a player v coach divide, aside from the points about a player-centric focus not working for a largely junior squad. But probably not much value in explicitly stating that when you can read between the lines.

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                                          "Get NTB on the phone "

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