2018 School Rugby
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@stargazer said in 2018 School Rugby:
@jk Same in Super 8 Final last year, when Hastings and Hamilton shared the title.
Different circumstances. The NH champ plays the Auckland champ to determine the Blues school at the Top 4. The Super 8 title had no bearing on the Top 4 qualifiers as the Chiefs and Hurricanes had separate qualifying games.
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@bovidae Just wondering. Isn't Takapuna coed? If so, maybe Westlake will play the Auckland champ for the Blues boys Top 4 spot, with Takapuna going through for a spot in the coed Top 4? Or is that a completely separate path to the Top 4?
@stargazer said in 2018 School Rugby:
@bovidae Just wondering. Isn't Takapuna coed? If so, maybe Westlake will play the Auckland champ for the Blues boys Top 4 spot, with Takapuna going through for a spot in the coed Top 4? Or is that a completely separate path to the Top 4?
Yes, Takapuna Grammar is a co-ed. I don't know how they find the top 4 teams from each region.
Last year the Blues co-ed team was Rangitoto College, the year before Aorere College.
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I remember in the past that teams usually say which one they fall under (top 4, or co-ed) earlier in the year.
St Kents won the Auckland comp (2011 I believe), but already decided earlier in the year that they would fall under the co-ed comp. So they didn't participate in the top 4, even though they were the best team in the country. IIRC Kelston won the top 4 nationals that year, even though Kelston got spanked in the Auckland final by St Kents. At the time, I believe Lavea didn't think St Kents would win the Auckland comp (his first year in charge, and the beginning of their dominant era), so put them in as co-ed. Ever since then, St Kents never compete for co-ed.
MAGS is co-ed, but they never compete for the co-ed comp, which is why teams like Aorere get the gig.
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Not sure teams can decide whether they are co-ed or not. I think they actually have to be them!
I believe St Paul's Collegiate tried to get itself ruled co-ed and failed. It has girls, but only from Year 11, and in smaller number than boys. They were told they only qualified as a boys school. MAGS would be the same wouldn't it?
The co-ed competition is so much easier to win, yet still "national champion" that everyone would go in it if they could.
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Not sure teams can decide whether they are co-ed or not. I think they actually have to be them!
I believe St Paul's Collegiate tried to get itself ruled co-ed and failed. It has girls, but only from Year 11, and in smaller number than boys. They were told they only qualified as a boys school. MAGS would be the same wouldn't it?
The co-ed competition is so much easier to win, yet still "national champion" that everyone would go in it if they could.
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I found this info from 2016, which I assume is still relevant.
The Co-Educational Schools Championship is open to all co-educational secondary schools. Co-educational is taken as meaning any school that the Ministry of Education deems as Co-Educational from Year 9.
Co-educational schools wishing to enter the National 1st XV Championship (sometimes referred to as Top Four) must signal their intention to do so, to their Regional Championship Coordinator no later than the last Friday in Term Two of the year of the Championship, or any other prior date as a Region may determine. Teams so entering will no longer be eligible for the National Co-Educational Schools’ 1st XV Championship.
St Kents made the decision to swap to the boys comp in 2012.
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Also of interest:
The Moascar Cup will be put up for competition by the holder, if the holder is participating in the Championship. Therefore any Championship game is also a mandatory challenge for the Moascar Cup. In the case of a draw at the end of time the Moascar Cup will remain with the holder.
So all North Island schools should be hoping CBHS is the South Island rep in the Top 4.
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@chester-draws MAGS are definitely eligible, they've been co-ed for almost 20 years now.
Real rugby schools don't value the co-ed comp at all. It's not considered a real national title if you win it. It's comparable to winning the Bowl in 7s.
@dice said in 2018 School Rugby:
@chester-draws MAGS are definitely eligible, they've been co-ed for almost 20 years now.
Real rugby schools don't value the co-ed comp at all. It's not considered a real national title if you win it. It's comparable to winning the Bowl in 7s.
I think I misread the Wikipedia entry on MAGS slightly. They have girls in Year 9 but teach in single sex classes?
Not sure I agree on the not valuing the co-ed, especially having talked to principals about it. Putting "national champion" on your school board is a powerful motivator. I suspect you mistake what real rugby heads think, rather than what schools themselves think. Otherwise St Paul's wouldn't have made their request.
A bowl is like a 2nd div win, whereas the co-ed is a separate league.
In the Waikato the chance of a team getting to Top 4 not called HBHS or RBHS is slim to zero. No matter whether the coed is easier, it is at least something.
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@shark said in 2018 School Rugby:
CBHS lost to Goon HS. BRILLIANT.
I was wondering who Goon HS was. Rangiora HS!!! How the fuck did that happen?
Rangiora also pipping Nelson College for a place in the Top 4.
Actually, I see Rangiora also pipped Nelson College by a point when they played, so they've evidently got a handy team. Nelson also lost to Marlborough Boys by a point to help wreck their play-off hopes.
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Livestream for tomorrow's CNI Final between St Paul's Collegiate and Feilding HS (k/o 12pm):
https://www.facebook.com/hstop200/videos/1459066447526415/?__tn__=-R
@stargazer said in 2018 School Rugby:
Livestream for tomorrow's CNI Final between St Paul's Collegiate and Feilding HS (k/o 12pm):
I won't be able to make this game now but St Paul's to win at home.
St Paul's will then be playing Hamilton BHS on Monday in a Waikato Top 4 qualifier. Not ideal for them but they have run out of weeks allocated to these games. Poor planning from the CNI.
I believe that Rotorua is playing Tauranga tomorrow with the last round scheduled for next Sat.
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@stargazer said in 2018 School Rugby:
Livestream for tomorrow's CNI Final between St Paul's Collegiate and Feilding HS (k/o 12pm):
I won't be able to make this game now but St Paul's to win at home.
St Paul's will then be playing Hamilton BHS on Monday in a Waikato Top 4 qualifier. Not ideal for them but they have run out of weeks allocated to these games. Poor planning from the CNI.
I believe that Rotorua is playing Tauranga tomorrow with the last round scheduled for next Sat.
@bovidae Having seen at first hand how these competitions are squeezed in I'm not too down on the CNI.
You can't start until cricket finishes, and the fields are usually too hard anyway. Teams like to play some warm-up and traditional games.
You can't play through the holidays, although most 1st XVs will play some of them when other school games aren't on.
You simply run out of weekends.
Midweek games are difficult with CNI because of the distances -- losing two school days for a game isn't great, and training around such travel is a bitch.
They will have seen the problem right at the start, and just accepted it as inevitable. Most of the CNI teams are pretty realistic about their ability to beat Super 8 teams.
Not that I won't be cheering for St Paul's.
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@bovidae Having seen at first hand how these competitions are squeezed in I'm not too down on the CNI.
You can't start until cricket finishes, and the fields are usually too hard anyway. Teams like to play some warm-up and traditional games.
You can't play through the holidays, although most 1st XVs will play some of them when other school games aren't on.
You simply run out of weekends.
Midweek games are difficult with CNI because of the distances -- losing two school days for a game isn't great, and training around such travel is a bitch.
They will have seen the problem right at the start, and just accepted it as inevitable. Most of the CNI teams are pretty realistic about their ability to beat Super 8 teams.
Not that I won't be cheering for St Paul's.
Looking at the CNI website St Paul's played St Johns Hastings and Te Atute away on a Wed and Sat, respectively. There were a number of midweek games played by other teams too. That's what happens with 11 teams in the comp and the travel distances.
I read that there is a rumour that the CNI teams from the Chiefs region may go it alone next year.
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Looking at the CNI website St Paul's played St Johns Hastings and Te Atute away on a Wed and Sat, respectively. There were a number of midweek games played by other teams too. That's what happens with 11 teams in the comp and the travel distances.
I read that there is a rumour that the CNI teams from the Chiefs region may go it alone next year.
@bovidae said in 2018 School Rugby:
Looking at the CNI website St Paul's played St Johns Hastings and Te Atute away on a Wed and Sat, respectively. There were a number of midweek games played by other teams too. That's what happens with 11 teams in the comp and the travel distances.
I read that there is a rumour that the CNI teams from the Chiefs region may go it alone next year.
That would seem like a regressive step? How many of the CNI are from the Chiefs region?
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@bovidae said in 2018 School Rugby:
Looking at the CNI website St Paul's played St Johns Hastings and Te Atute away on a Wed and Sat, respectively. There were a number of midweek games played by other teams too. That's what happens with 11 teams in the comp and the travel distances.
I read that there is a rumour that the CNI teams from the Chiefs region may go it alone next year.
That would seem like a regressive step? How many of the CNI are from the Chiefs region?
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@bovidae said in 2018 School Rugby:
Looking at the CNI website St Paul's played St Johns Hastings and Te Atute away on a Wed and Sat, respectively. There were a number of midweek games played by other teams too. That's what happens with 11 teams in the comp and the travel distances.
I read that there is a rumour that the CNI teams from the Chiefs region may go it alone next year.
That would seem like a regressive step? How many of the CNI are from the Chiefs region?
@nepia said in 2018 School Rugby:
@bovidae said in 2018 School Rugby:
Looking at the CNI website St Paul's played St Johns Hastings and Te Atute away on a Wed and Sat, respectively. There were a number of midweek games played by other teams too. That's what happens with 11 teams in the comp and the travel distances.
I read that there is a rumour that the CNI teams from the Chiefs region may go it alone next year.
That would seem like a regressive step? How many of the CNI are from the Chiefs region?
Francis Douglas - New Plymouth (5)
St John's College - Hamilton (10)
St Paul's Collegiat - Hamilton (1)
St Peter's School - Cambridge (3)
Wesley College - Pukekohe (4)So 5 of the 11 schools. The number between brackets refers to their ranking after the round robin.
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@nepia said in 2018 School Rugby:
@bovidae said in 2018 School Rugby:
Looking at the CNI website St Paul's played St Johns Hastings and Te Atute away on a Wed and Sat, respectively. There were a number of midweek games played by other teams too. That's what happens with 11 teams in the comp and the travel distances.
I read that there is a rumour that the CNI teams from the Chiefs region may go it alone next year.
That would seem like a regressive step? How many of the CNI are from the Chiefs region?
Francis Douglas - New Plymouth (5)
St John's College - Hamilton (10)
St Paul's Collegiat - Hamilton (1)
St Peter's School - Cambridge (3)
Wesley College - Pukekohe (4)So 5 of the 11 schools. The number between brackets refers to their ranking after the round robin.
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@stargazer So only Feilding Ag upholding things for the Hurricanes Schools by the looks of things
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Lindisfarne already play Wanganui Collegiate and Rathkeale in annual fixtures from that CNI comp
