Bledisloe II
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@shark said in Bledisloe II:
I don't think Laumape has that in him. I see him more as a temporary measure ala Sam Tuitopou or Francis Sai'ili.
To be fair, no one saw it in Nonu either.
@bones said in Bledisloe II:
@shark said in Bledisloe II:
I don't think Laumape has that in him. I see him more as a temporary measure ala Sam Tuitopou or Francis Sai'ili.
To be fair, no one saw it in Nonu either.
Had shit hands, couldn't defend. Could run though.
His last 4-5 years were as good as any 12 has ever played. Jet.
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Plenty of people saw it in Nonu. The problem was he was a spare part from 2003 until after RWC 2007. As mentioned, he had serious competition for the 12 jersey when Mauger and McAlister were around - and prior to that, Tana also - but once he was given a few opportunities at 12 he flourished quickly and his game developed rapidly. I don't see that early level of flourishment or development in the 12 jersey at the top level in Laumape's game and therefore I don't see him kicking on.
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@shark said in Bledisloe II:
I don't think Laumape has that in him. I see him more as a temporary measure ala Sam Tuitopou or Francis Sai'ili.
To be fair, no one saw it in Nonu either.
@bones said in Bledisloe II:
@shark said in Bledisloe II:
I don't think Laumape has that in him. I see him more as a temporary measure ala Sam Tuitopou or Francis Sai'ili.
To be fair, no one saw it in Nonu either.
I did
. Snake and Nonu are in serious contention for the title of best midfield combo ever -
Plenty of people saw it in Nonu. The problem was he was a spare part from 2003 until after RWC 2007. As mentioned, he had serious competition for the 12 jersey when Mauger and McAlister were around - and prior to that, Tana also - but once he was given a few opportunities at 12 he flourished quickly and his game developed rapidly. I don't see that early level of flourishment or development in the 12 jersey at the top level in Laumape's game and therefore I don't see him kicking on.
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I think the issue with Nonu is he showed so much potential and people were frustrated he kept making the same errors over and over and for this reason many questioned the persistence in him; then one day he woke and was awesome, luckily the AB selectors werent so quick to throw Nonu out as many fans (inc me) were.
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Australia would be wise to dump Krusty if just to get the same dead-cat bounce in time for the cup that he himself benefited from in 2014/5.
New voice, new tactics, new motivation, possibly rejig the overseas selection rules recite a few lines from Any Given Sunday.... It's possible (even easy) to get a short term boost out of that, but it inevitably falls to shit 18 months later... Eddie, Cheika, Mitch...
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Wallabies would be better to start Pocock and have Hooper on the bench to up the anti in the final 20. Like Ardie I don't think he's big/physical enough but could be effective against tired legs.
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Wallabies would be better to start Pocock and have Hooper on the bench to up the anti in the final 20. Like Ardie I don't think he's big/physical enough but could be effective against tired legs.
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
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@bones said in Bledisloe II:
@shark said in Bledisloe II:
I don't think Laumape has that in him. I see him more as a temporary measure ala Sam Tuitopou or Francis Sai'ili.
To be fair, no one saw it in Nonu either.
Yep, and if not for Lucky Luke and Mauger buggering off at the same time we may have never seen it at all.
@nepia said in Bledisloe II:
@bones said in Bledisloe II:
@shark said in Bledisloe II:
I don't think Laumape has that in him. I see him more as a temporary measure ala Sam Tuitopou or Francis Sai'ili.
To be fair, no one saw it in Nonu either.
Yep, and if not for Lucky Luke and Mauger buggering off at the same time we may have never seen it at all.
Was a slidiing doors moment alright
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I think the issue with Nonu is he showed so much potential and people were frustrated he kept making the same errors over and over and for this reason many questioned the persistence in him; then one day he woke and was awesome, luckily the AB selectors werent so quick to throw Nonu out as many fans (inc me) were.
@taniwharugby Farrrrk he used to frustrate the shit out of me when he would drop it or make a shitty mistake and just throw a hissy and walk away. Hated him for that!
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@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
- Israel Folau (Waratahs & Australia) $2.2m
- Dan Carter (Kobe Steel) $2.13m
- Matt Giteau (Suntory) $2.13m
- Charles Piutau (Bristol) $1.92m
- Aaron Cruden (Montpelier) $1.31m
- Steven Luatua (Bristol) $1.25m
- Dan Biggar (Northampton & Wales)
- Ma'a Nonu (Toulon) $1.16m
- Nicholas Sanchez (Stade Francais & Argentina) $1.12m
- Michael Hooper (Waratahs & Australia) $1.1m
15th) Kieran Read, Beauden Barrett, Sonny Bill Williams (NZ) $1m.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12110553
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Australia would be wise to dump Krusty if just to get the same dead-cat bounce in time for the cup that he himself benefited from in 2014/5.
New voice, new tactics, new motivation, possibly rejig the overseas selection rules recite a few lines from Any Given Sunday.... It's possible (even easy) to get a short term boost out of that, but it inevitably falls to shit 18 months later... Eddie, Cheika, Mitch...
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@bones said in Bledisloe II:
@shark said in Bledisloe II:
I don't think Laumape has that in him. I see him more as a temporary measure ala Sam Tuitopou or Francis Sai'ili.
To be fair, no one saw it in Nonu either.
Had shit hands, couldn't defend. Could run though.
His last 4-5 years were as good as any 12 has ever played. Jet.
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe II:
@bones said in Bledisloe II:
@shark said in Bledisloe II:
I don't think Laumape has that in him. I see him more as a temporary measure ala Sam Tuitopou or Francis Sai'ili.
To be fair, no one saw it in Nonu either.
Had shit hands, couldn't defend. Could run though.
His last 4-5 years were as good as any 12 has ever played. Jet.
Best I've ever seen. Even better than Horan imho. Absolute beast with ridiculous skillset.
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@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
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I think the issue with Nonu is he showed so much potential and people were frustrated he kept making the same errors over and over and for this reason many questioned the persistence in him; then one day he woke and was awesome, luckily the AB selectors werent so quick to throw Nonu out as many fans (inc me) were.
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
I think the issue with Nonu is he showed so much potential and people were frustrated he kept making the same errors over and over and for this reason many questioned the persistence in him; then one day he woke and was awesome, luckily the AB selectors werent so quick to throw Nonu out as many fans (inc me) were.
I think moving him to 12 improved him as a footballer , he really matured there ,
In his early years at 13 , he really struggled making decisions in defense , and while you are making those type of errors it can affect confidence .
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Plenty of people saw it in Nonu. The problem was he was a spare part from 2003 until after RWC 2007. As mentioned, he had serious competition for the 12 jersey when Mauger and McAlister were around - and prior to that, Tana also - but once he was given a few opportunities at 12 he flourished quickly and his game developed rapidly. I don't see that early level of flourishment or development in the 12 jersey at the top level in Laumape's game and therefore I don't see him kicking on.
@shark said in Bledisloe II:
Plenty of people saw it in Nonu. The problem was he was a spare part from 2003 until after RWC 2007. As mentioned, he had serious competition for the 12 jersey when Mauger and McAlister were around - and prior to that, Tana also - but once he was given a few opportunities at 12 he flourished quickly and his game developed rapidly. I don't see that early level of flourishment or development in the 12 jersey at the top level in Laumape's game and therefore I don't see him kicking on.
What a load of crap. Laumape is only 2nd season Super Rugby if I’m not mistaken. Once again it’s flavour of the month to diss him. Tuipolotou and Saiili were extremely average ABs.
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@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
its incredible mismanagement
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@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
its incredible mismanagement
@mariner4life The ridiculous thing is, if they want to re-sign Folau for the next few years, they may have to pay even more.
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@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
How can they justify paying him that much? That's more than 1 million more than his captain! No wonder he's in no hurry to return to League.
