Bledisloe II
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So we're agreed this will be the backline:
9. A Smith
10. Beaudy
11. Naholo
12. SBW.
13. Goodhue.
14. B Smith
15. Jordie.Bench will be TJP, DMac, ALB.
@antipodean said in Bledisloe II:
So we're agreed this will be the backline:
9. A Smith
10. Beaudy
11. Naholo
12. SBW.
13. Goodhue.
14. B Smith
15. Jordie.Bench will be TJP, DMac, ALB.
That's pretty much it except ALB starting and Laumape or SBW on the bench - don't think they'll rush SBW back in.
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Yeah my presumption is SBW is fit. If fit, they'll start him.
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@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
How can they justify paying him that much? That's more than 1 million more than his captain! No wonder he's in no hurry to return to League.
@rancid-schnitzel maybe they pay him more cos they know Qantas aint gonna be giving him any endorsements...
@antipodean yep, if fit, we know they will start SBW.
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Wallabies would be better to start Pocock and have Hooper on the bench to up the anti in the final 20. Like Ardie I don't think he's big/physical enough but could be effective against tired legs.
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
Wallabies would be better to start Pocock and have Hooper on the bench to up the anti in the final 20. Like Ardie I don't think he's big/physical enough but could be effective against tired legs.
Looked to me that Hooper was more effective in taking the ball forward than Pocock and similar in defence.
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The All Blacks coach, a long-time admirer of the hard-running and uncapped Hurricanes player, said a day after the Bledisloe Cup defeat of the Wallabies in Sydney that Aso was in the running to provide cover after Ryan Crotty's head injury at ANZ Stadium. But the 23-year-old told Radio Sport yesterday he won't be available until at least November.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12110411
@tim @tim Defensively Aso has too much to work on at centre. As a Canes fan I'm very suprised Aso has been given a look before Proctor. For me Proctor is the most important cog in the Canes backline and it wasn't a coincidence that we turned to shit after he injured himself this year. Same thing happened in 2016, once Proctor injured himself we didn't look the same then either.
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@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
Wallabies would be better to start Pocock and have Hooper on the bench to up the anti in the final 20. Like Ardie I don't think he's big/physical enough but could be effective against tired legs.
Looked to me that Hooper was more effective in taking the ball forward than Pocock and similar in defence.
@mikethesnow Pocock has always been a bit average at all facets bar his strength over the ball
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@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
Wallabies would be better to start Pocock and have Hooper on the bench to up the anti in the final 20. Like Ardie I don't think he's big/physical enough but could be effective against tired legs.
Looked to me that Hooper was more effective in taking the ball forward than Pocock and similar in defence.
@mikethesnow said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
Wallabies would be better to start Pocock and have Hooper on the bench to up the anti in the final 20. Like Ardie I don't think he's big/physical enough but could be effective against tired legs.
Looked to me that Hooper was more effective in taking the ball forward than Pocock and similar in defence.
If both are in the 23 then Pocock really has to start as I can't see him making much of an impact from the bench.
Both players are vastly overrated.
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SBW is not fit he wont be on the bench or start. Foster said that they were please with the way NMS played for Manawatu on Saturday he gets the wing spot IMO. Smith remains at full back. Mid field will be the same ALB & Goodhue. Laumape on the bench with DMac.
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SBW is not fit he wont be on the bench or start. Foster said that they were please with the way NMS played for Manawatu on Saturday he gets the wing spot IMO. Smith remains at full back. Mid field will be the same ALB & Goodhue. Laumape on the bench with DMac.
@wreck-diver said in Bledisloe II:
Foster said that they were please with the way NMS played for Manawatu
Well then, clearly ready for Test rugby after his display in the Super season.
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@wreck-diver said in Bledisloe II:
Foster said that they were please with the way NMS played for Manawatu
Well then, clearly ready for Test rugby after his display in the Super season.
@antipodean Big fan of Skudz but don't think he will be included this week. No need to rush him back and I think another week in the ITM Cup will be great for his confidence. Also a crack at the Shield wouldn't be the worst result for him missing out this week. 11. Naholo, 14. Smith 15. J Barrett for me.
I would love to see a Laumape - Goodhue combo this week but again I think they will stick with the tried and trusted pairing of ALB - Goodhue.
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SBW is not fit he wont be on the bench or start. Foster said that they were please with the way NMS played for Manawatu on Saturday he gets the wing spot IMO. Smith remains at full back. Mid field will be the same ALB & Goodhue. Laumape on the bench with DMac.
@wreck-diver according to some people in the media, SBW has been training with the team, particulalrly he and Ioane training together (both showing no signs of injury) which tells you he is unlikely to be named wheneverthehellitistheynameteamsthesedays although I do wonder if Aus had won game 1 or this was a bigger match, if Ioane would be available
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@wreck-diver according to some people in the media, SBW has been training with the team, particulalrly he and Ioane training together (both showing no signs of injury) which tells you he is unlikely to be named wheneverthehellitistheynameteamsthesedays although I do wonder if Aus had won game 1 or this was a bigger match, if Ioane would be available
@taniwharugby Light training
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@wreck-diver said in Bledisloe II:
Foster said that they were please with the way NMS played for Manawatu
Well then, clearly ready for Test rugby after his display in the Super season.
@antipodean Why pick him in the squad play him in the game of 3 halves, say he needs game time, he gets game they are happy, and then when his position opens up you dont pick him and play the best 15 on the wing.
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@mikethesnow said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
Wallabies would be better to start Pocock and have Hooper on the bench to up the anti in the final 20. Like Ardie I don't think he's big/physical enough but could be effective against tired legs.
Looked to me that Hooper was more effective in taking the ball forward than Pocock and similar in defence.
If both are in the 23 then Pocock really has to start as I can't see him making much of an impact from the bench.
Both players are vastly overrated.
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
@mikethesnow said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
Wallabies would be better to start Pocock and have Hooper on the bench to up the anti in the final 20. Like Ardie I don't think he's big/physical enough but could be effective against tired legs.
Looked to me that Hooper was more effective in taking the ball forward than Pocock and similar in defence.
If both are in the 23 then Pocock really has to start as I can't see him making much of an impact from the bench.
Both players are vastly overrated.
I think it is a failing of most supporters, and even teams, but Ozzie seem to be especially susceptible to it. The idolisation of players that do easily spotted amazing things. Folau and Pocock are prime example, Folau is almost unmatched in the air and is a devastating runner - but still awful at positioning and other fullback 'must haves'. But he's so spectacular that he is over hyped and used. You can say the same for Beaudy, this year anyway, but he seems worse at some core 10 roles than previous. But he gets rave reviews for his amazing, and very easy to see, plays. At least Beaudy has done the core in games during his AB career, Folau has never done a proper full backs role. And Pocock is a one trick, amazing trick, turnover pony. Make him tackle the carrier rather than be second man in and he's not that great, see RWC 2011 semi-final!
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@antipodean Why pick him in the squad play him in the game of 3 halves, say he needs game time, he gets game they are happy, and then when his position opens up you dont pick him and play the best 15 on the wing.
@wreck-diver Because the squad is not nowadays just the top players who are ready to play. The ABs especially look for long term goals, they bring players into their squads even if the never expect to play them, leaving others out who are more likely to play - see Todd. They are growing depth, spreading ABs corporate knowledge, and assessing players - as well as getting a team to smash everyone today, they are making a team to smash everyone tomorrow. ABs explicitly use the apprentice system, but they also do it with players who they really don't want to play unless they have to. Those who see this as a failing as squad selectors are really missing what has made the ABs so long term great in the current era.
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@wreck-diver Because the squad is not nowadays just the top players who are ready to play. The ABs especially look for long term goals, they bring players into their squads even if the never expect to play them, leaving others out who are more likely to play - see Todd. They are growing depth, spreading ABs corporate knowledge, and assessing players - as well as getting a team to smash everyone today, they are making a team to smash everyone tomorrow. ABs explicitly use the apprentice system, but they also do it with players who they really don't want to play unless they have to. Those who see this as a failing as squad selectors are really missing what has made the ABs so long term great in the current era.
@machpants said in Bledisloe II:
@wreck-diver Because the squad is not nowadays just the top players who are ready to play. The ABs especially look for long term goals, they bring players into their squads even if the never expect to play them, leaving others out who are more likely to play - see Todd. They are growing depth, spreading ABs corporate knowledge, and assessing players - as well as getting a team to smash everyone today, they are making a team to smash everyone tomorrow. ABs explicitly use the apprentice system, but they also do it with players who they really don't want to play unless they have to. Those who see this as a failing as squad selectors are really missing what has made the ABs so long term great in the current era.
Fine I understand all of that. So who plays on the left wing then?
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@machpants said in Bledisloe II:
@wreck-diver Because the squad is not nowadays just the top players who are ready to play. The ABs especially look for long term goals, they bring players into their squads even if the never expect to play them, leaving others out who are more likely to play - see Todd. They are growing depth, spreading ABs corporate knowledge, and assessing players - as well as getting a team to smash everyone today, they are making a team to smash everyone tomorrow. ABs explicitly use the apprentice system, but they also do it with players who they really don't want to play unless they have to. Those who see this as a failing as squad selectors are really missing what has made the ABs so long term great in the current era.
Fine I understand all of that. So who plays on the left wing then?
@wreck-diver Buggered if I know, I think I know what they are trying to achieve, I'm just guessing at how or with whom they will do it!
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@wreck-diver Buggered if I know, I think I know what they are trying to achieve, I'm just guessing at how or with whom they will do it!
@machpants Thats exactly what I did. So I think it will be NMS Smith and Naholo
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@crucial said in Bledisloe II:
A question for the scrum club. In those early ones where Franks was just lying flat on the ground yet the Convicts were penalised, was that from the loosehead sliding up over his back? If so, it was a very good spot from Peyper because it looked like the only one going to ground was in black.
I commented on this during the match and was perplexed as to why Peyper didn't swap to the other side of the scrum to have a look.
Thinking back he penalised Kepu more that Robertson. Don't even know if he penalised Robertson.
In my non-front row eyes Franks was getting a schooling.
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@mikethesnow You can't be getting a scholling from a loosehead whose backside is up in the air everytime the scrum goes down. Of course the ref will see that as hinging
@rebound said in Bledisloe II:
@mikethesnow You can't be getting a scholling from a loosehead whose backside is up in the air everytime the scrum goes down. Of course the ref will see that as hinging
The arse in the air was post Franks on the floor. Not every time admitedly. But the majority.
