Bledisloe II
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Always good to lock the big cup up for another year.
BBBR and BB have to be the best players in the world by some margin.
On the BB debate, i know anything other than BB is awesome at 10 seems to be getting shouted down now but I would love to see a back three of
11. Ioane 14. Smith 15. BBWith another 10 in to run the backline. Whether that 10 is Mounga or they convince Cruden to come back it doesn't matter.
BB getting more space at the back and injecting himself at first receiver would be even more lethal.Our backs as a unit at the moment seem to be dangerous from broken play or on the counter but we suffer when there is a more structured defence with passes going behind and players being flat footed. We rely heavily on Ioane to use his gas for set piece moves and it is often guys like BBBR making a half break or offload that get us into that unstructured play that we score off.
BB scoring 4 tries doesn't really change that.Anyway just like Akira getting a game i don't see them moving BB to 15 so we can forget about it.
Back on the game, Harris is serious deadwood in this team his lineout throwing is a liability that threatens to take our lineout back to the bad old days when he is on.
Thought that non try off the Ardie knock on was bullshit. Not clear and obvious enough to take it all that way back IMO. Maybe the TMO was annoyed they have been told to stop the constant "check check " crap in open play that he decided he would stick his nose in wherever he could.
Edit: the formatting seems to have messed with my numbers. BB to 15 not 13.
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@crazy-horse thing is, the pass travelled forward, but was passed backwards as is allowed under the laws (argh, as also pointed out by Marshall
) so the call was wrong, although it did look forward, so can see why a ref (other than Barnes) might see it that way.@taniwharugby jesus, Marshall actually disagreed with a call that went against the ABs?
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I think Goodhue is awesome. A few iffy things last night, but he just looks class. Considering his age and lack of experience I think we have alot to look forward to in the future.
@rancid-schnitzel I really liked the way he remained composed when he got pulled down short of the line. He tried to see if he could reach out, decided he couldn't, then made sure the ball was there for quick recycling. Just another good basic decision and he made it look easy. I suspect other players would have tried harder to get to the line and end up killing the move.
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I think Goodhue is awesome. A few iffy things last night, but he just looks class. Considering his age and lack of experience I think we have alot to look forward to in the future.
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
I think Goodhue is awesome. A few iffy things last night, but he just looks class. Considering his age and lack of experience I think we have alot to look forward to in the future.
I’ll never forget watching Goodhue and Jordie Barrett play 12-13 for a season of club rugby a couple of seasons back, maybe the 2 best players I’ve ever seen at that level.
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I think Goodhue is awesome. A few iffy things last night, but he just looks class. Considering his age and lack of experience I think we have alot to look forward to in the future.
@rancid-schnitzel I'd be happy if ALB and Goodhue turns out to be our long-term midfield.
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@rancid-schnitzel I really liked the way he remained composed when he got pulled down short of the line. He tried to see if he could reach out, decided he couldn't, then made sure the ball was there for quick recycling. Just another good basic decision and he made it look easy. I suspect other players would have tried harder to get to the line and end up killing the move.
@crazy-horse said in Bledisloe II:
@rancid-schnitzel I really liked the way he remained composed when he got pulled down short of the line. He tried to see if he could reach out, decided he couldn't, then made sure the ball was there for quick recycling. Just another good basic decision and he made it look easy. I suspect other players would have tried harder to get to the line and end up killing the move.
Yep, that might not seem like a big deal to some but it shows maturity and composure beyond his years. He's just a class act all round.
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Shit I hope there's some way Pinetree can watch Brodie play. We've had so many outstanding locks over the years but jesus the shit Brodie does all over the paddock blows my mind
Wayne Barnes makes me think of Stuart Broad, usual pedantry at times but it works and his attention to ruck cleanouts was welcomed
Is Dane HP, BFA lite? That's a compliment
I thought the RM is better than BB banter was bored preselection fern trash talk.
Jesus, just leave Barrett there. He's our number 10 till 2020 at least. Play RM at 10 if injury strikes the incumbent and leave DM with 20 something on his back for all games. SimplesYay Bledisloe!
@siam said in Bledisloe II:
Shit I hope there's some way Pinetree can watch Brodie play. We've had so many outstanding locks over the years but jesus the shit Brodie does all over the paddock blows my mind
Wayne Barnes makes me think of Stuart Broad, usual pedantry at times but it works and his attention to ruck cleanouts was welcomed
Is Dane HP, BFA lite? That's a compliment
I thought the RM is better than BB banter was bored preselection fern trash talk.
Jesus, just leave Barrett there. He's our number 10 till 2020 at least. Play RM at 10 if injury strikes the incumbent and leave DM with 20 something on his back for all games. SimplesYay Bledisloe!
I think RM should get way more game time than just after a BB injury. He needs the game time to get used to test level rugby and get the confidence. Start him in the Argie game in Nelson, as well as in the away game in Buenos Aires. The games against Japan and Italy. If BB goes down in the RWC, I want RM to have played enough minutes in the 10 jersey.
So giving starts to RM is not about BB not deserving them, but about getting RM the experience he needs to take over when required.
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@siam said in Bledisloe II:
Shit I hope there's some way Pinetree can watch Brodie play. We've had so many outstanding locks over the years but jesus the shit Brodie does all over the paddock blows my mind
Wayne Barnes makes me think of Stuart Broad, usual pedantry at times but it works and his attention to ruck cleanouts was welcomed
Is Dane HP, BFA lite? That's a compliment
I thought the RM is better than BB banter was bored preselection fern trash talk.
Jesus, just leave Barrett there. He's our number 10 till 2020 at least. Play RM at 10 if injury strikes the incumbent and leave DM with 20 something on his back for all games. SimplesYay Bledisloe!
I think RM should get way more game time than just after a BB injury. He needs the game time to get used to test level rugby and get the confidence. Start him in the Argie game in Nelson, as well as in the away game in Buenos Aires. The games against Japan and Italy. If BB goes down in the RWC, I want RM to have played enough minutes in the 10 jersey.
So giving starts to RM is not about BB not deserving them, but about getting RM the experience he needs to take over when required.
@stargazer well shit of course he needs gametime and like all 2nd bests he'll get that against weaker opposition, both starting and subbing.
My reference was the hierarchy for RWC.
Or maybe I was advocating a cunning 1976 strategy where the incumbents play every game for 80 minutes till we lose one...
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@chester-draws said in Bledisloe II:
@bones said in Bledisloe II:
I'm interested in how he doesn't make others better.
An unsympathetic shovel pass mostly.
Also he doesn't stand flat to the line like Carter and Cruden did, so he doesn't pose the same defensive quandaries, which makes it easier to mark the 2nd-five.
Beauden's at his best in space, attacking from the back on counter and when defenses tire. Back lines outside him seem to struggle to penetrate organised back lines, like the Lions or Crusaders. Or not tired Aussies, for that matter.
The ABs seem to be working around this by trying to ensure oppositions always tire enough. I suspect cannier teams than Australia will pace themselves better.
He scored two tries in the first half ffs. Shit, what more does the guy have to do? You reckon Carter was tearing up defences in the first 30? Taking on the line and breaching it in the opening exchanges? This is just knit picking bullshit. Btw anybody who reckons BB can't control a game should be forced to watch that game Clockwork Orange style.
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
You reckon Carter was tearing up defences in the first 30?He had usually plotted three penalties, two of which were pretty tough.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
You reckon Carter was tearing up defences in the first 30?He had usually plotted three penalties, two of which were pretty tough.
@rotated said in Bledisloe II:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
You reckon Carter was tearing up defences in the first 30?He had usually plotted three penalties, two of which were pretty tough.
How is that tearing up defences?
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Always good to lock the big cup up for another year.
BBBR and BB have to be the best players in the world by some margin.
On the BB debate, i know anything other than BB is awesome at 10 seems to be getting shouted down now but I would love to see a back three of
11. Ioane 14. Smith 15. BBWith another 10 in to run the backline. Whether that 10 is Mounga or they convince Cruden to come back it doesn't matter.
BB getting more space at the back and injecting himself at first receiver would be even more lethal.Our backs as a unit at the moment seem to be dangerous from broken play or on the counter but we suffer when there is a more structured defence with passes going behind and players being flat footed. We rely heavily on Ioane to use his gas for set piece moves and it is often guys like BBBR making a half break or offload that get us into that unstructured play that we score off.
BB scoring 4 tries doesn't really change that.Anyway just like Akira getting a game i don't see them moving BB to 15 so we can forget about it.
Back on the game, Harris is serious deadwood in this team his lineout throwing is a liability that threatens to take our lineout back to the bad old days when he is on.
Thought that non try off the Ardie knock on was bullshit. Not clear and obvious enough to take it all that way back IMO. Maybe the TMO was annoyed they have been told to stop the constant "check check " crap in open play that he decided he would stick his nose in wherever he could.
Edit: the formatting seems to have messed with my numbers. BB to 15 not 13.
@pukunui I was thinking the same thing regarding BB at 15, it was a pity Cruden didn't hang around and see if he could regain form and fitness, those two in tandem and in form would cut teams to pieces, well TBF BB is cutting the Wallabies to pieces on his own, but it would have been nice.
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@siam said in Bledisloe II:
Shit I hope there's some way Pinetree can watch Brodie play. We've had so many outstanding locks over the years but jesus the shit Brodie does all over the paddock blows my mind
Wayne Barnes makes me think of Stuart Broad, usual pedantry at times but it works and his attention to ruck cleanouts was welcomed
Is Dane HP, BFA lite? That's a compliment
I thought the RM is better than BB banter was bored preselection fern trash talk.
Jesus, just leave Barrett there. He's our number 10 till 2020 at least. Play RM at 10 if injury strikes the incumbent and leave DM with 20 something on his back for all games. SimplesYay Bledisloe!
I think RM should get way more game time than just after a BB injury. He needs the game time to get used to test level rugby and get the confidence. Start him in the Argie game in Nelson, as well as in the away game in Buenos Aires. The games against Japan and Italy. If BB goes down in the RWC, I want RM to have played enough minutes in the 10 jersey.
So giving starts to RM is not about BB not deserving them, but about getting RM the experience he needs to take over when required.
@stargazer is a balancing act getting the development right (which includes playing in high intensity games) vs playing the best team without burning them out.
PLenty were critical of the Cartels inability to devlop a good back up for DC in 2011, whereas I thought they had been, was just none were really up to it, and TBF, we ended up coping (just)
RM will get plenty of chances pre2019, as will Dmac, short of a 2011 injury ward striking, they will serve us well
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@rotated said in Bledisloe II:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
You reckon Carter was tearing up defences in the first 30?He had usually plotted three penalties, two of which were pretty tough.
How is that tearing up defences?
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
@rotated said in Bledisloe II:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
You reckon Carter was tearing up defences in the first 30?He had usually plotted three penalties, two of which were pretty tough.
How is that tearing up defences?
If you can't tear up the defence in the first 30 minutes at least be putting points on the board in other ways.
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given Cane has had alsmot as many head knocks as Crotty, maybe we need to look at leaving him out for a period too?
So that slots Savea firmly in the drivers seat (looked a bit more physical than normal last night too, although against a beaten Wallaby pack) but who is the next 7 off the ranks?
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given Cane has had alsmot as many head knocks as Crotty, maybe we need to look at leaving him out for a period too?
So that slots Savea firmly in the drivers seat (looked a bit more physical than normal last night too, although against a beaten Wallaby pack) but who is the next 7 off the ranks?
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
given Cane has had alsmot as many head knocks as Crotty, maybe we need to look at leaving him out for a period too?
So that slots Savea firmly in the drivers seat (looked a bit more physical than normal last night too, although against a beaten Wallaby pack) but who is the next 7 off the ranks?
Last year Hunt played for the AB's (vs French xv) and Gibson was called up to train with the squad. Gibson has barely played this year though so Hunt would be most likely
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
given Cane has had alsmot as many head knocks as Crotty, maybe we need to look at leaving him out for a period too?
So that slots Savea firmly in the drivers seat (looked a bit more physical than normal last night too, although against a beaten Wallaby pack) but who is the next 7 off the ranks?
Last year Hunt played for the AB's (vs French xv) and Gibson was called up to train with the squad. Gibson has barely played this year though so Hunt would be most likely
@duluth thought it was them, but certainly digging deep into our bag of tricks to pull them out, although now, it looks like we need to blood one of them, and soon.
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given Cane has had alsmot as many head knocks as Crotty, maybe we need to look at leaving him out for a period too?
So that slots Savea firmly in the drivers seat (looked a bit more physical than normal last night too, although against a beaten Wallaby pack) but who is the next 7 off the ranks?
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
given Cane has had alsmot as many head knocks as Crotty, maybe we need to look at leaving him out for a period took?
So that slots Savea firmly in the drivers seat (looked a bit more physical than normal last night too, although against a beaten Wallaby pack) but who is the next 7 off the ranks?
There’s some young tyro from the Crusaders. Todd or something. He might be worth a look.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
given Cane has had alsmot as many head knocks as Crotty, maybe we need to look at leaving him out for a period took?
So that slots Savea firmly in the drivers seat (looked a bit more physical than normal last night too, although against a beaten Wallaby pack) but who is the next 7 off the ranks?
There’s some young tyro from the Crusaders. Todd or something. He might be worth a look.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
@rotated said in Bledisloe II:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
You reckon Carter was tearing up defences in the first 30?He had usually plotted three penalties, two of which were pretty tough.
How is that tearing up defences?
If you can't tear up the defence in the first 30 minutes at least be putting points on the board in other ways.
@rotated said in Bledisloe II:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
@rotated said in Bledisloe II:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
You reckon Carter was tearing up defences in the first 30?He had usually plotted three penalties, two of which were pretty tough.
How is that tearing up defences?
If you can't tear up the defence in the first 30 minutes at least be putting points on the board in other ways.
Dude, I was responding to a post of how BB can't breach defences in the early stages of a game.
I will fully agree about the goal kicking but that wasn't being discussed.
Actually, BB's kicking in general play was mostly pants for the Canes this year but was outstanding yesterday. Was great to see.
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@jc he has gone to the land of the Samurai!
@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe II:
@jc he has gone to the land of the Samurai!
He's back for RWC though isn't he?
