All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson

[taniwharugby]

@akan004 yeah I know, same applies to Cane, and I expect with the head knocks it is largely bad luck (poor technique the odd time) so if they are right then they are right...although they are still learning when it comes to the effects of concussion arent they.

[kiwiinmelb]

@nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Anyway, we all know Mitchell pinched his tactics from the 03 Blues (but forgot the part about forward dominance).

Yeah he pinched the counter attack off the Blues and used their back 3 of Mils , Joe and Howlett , they were doing it through the 03 super rugby season , where ironically Henry was an assistant , Mitchell wasnt doing it the year before ,

Chicken egg situation there

[cgrant]

@bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@rapido I just think that Hansen and co might believe that Tu'inukuafe is the better impact sub of the two.

Sure, but there is the possibility of having big trouble at scrum time if Perry has to face Juan Figallo who was outstanding vs Mtwawarira in the last test.

[Nepia]

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

hahaha holy shit.

And they spelled Peter Sloane wrong

Hahaha, you got there before me, just saw it now ... although shouldn't it (really) be that they spelled Henry wrong.

[pakman]

Couple of observations:

Assuming they rest Crotty and Cane (which I hope they do)..

• Who is back up for Savea? That might argue for Frizzell to cover 6 and 7.

• If Mo'unga gets a start it wouldn't make sense to have Laumape starting -- better ALB. Goodhue to get rest in second and ALB to 13.

[Chris B.]

@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Couple of observations:

Assuming they rest Crotty and Cane (which I hope they do)..

• Who is back up for Savea? That might argue for Frizzell to cover 6 and 7.

Don't think Frizell would have ever played 7. Ta$man have used him at lock and 6.

Not sure if Luke Whitelock has played 7, but he'd be a better candidate I think - a bit more mobile.

That they haven't pulled another openside into the squad probably points that Cane is going to be good to go.

[ACT Crusader]

@rapido said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

This is very good news actually that NZ are forced to get some starts in Tuinukiafe, and the injury to Moody is as minor as a thumb fracture.

I say this believing, as far as I know, that Moody is the best current LHP in test rugby.

KT needs some serious (starting) minutes before RWC.

Stay on topic.

Now about that whitebaiting.

[ACT Crusader]

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Anyway, we all know Mitchell pinched his tactics from the 03 Blues (but forgot the part about forward dominance).

Yeah he pinched the counter attack off the Blues and used their back 3 of Mils , Joe and Howlett , they were doing it through the 03 super rugby season , where ironically Henry was an assistant , Mitchell wasnt doing it the year before ,

Chicken egg situation there

But Mils was playing centre at the Blues and Rok was rotated on the wing with Gear. Howlett played fullback for most of that Blues season. And lets not forget the most damaging player on that Blues back 3 that year did not make the ABs.....

So Mitchell did vary it quite a bit.

[Rancid Schnitzel]

Tbh I think they should move on from Crotty. The guy seems to barely ever complete a whole game, let alone a season. Yes, he's great when fit, but he just breaks the entire farking time.

[Chris B.]

@rapido said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

This is very good news actually that NZ are forced to get some starts in Tuinukiafe, and the injury to Moody is as minor as a thumb fracture.

I say this believing, as far as I know, that Moody is the best current LHP in test rugby.

KT needs some serious (starting) minutes before RWC.

Yeah - it seems he's slipped ahead of Tim Perry in the pecking order, so I don't see why he wouldn't start.

Hopefully Kane Hames will be back in the mix next year and we'll have four looseheads with test experience.

Getting Nepo Laulala back on the tighthead side should give us a good hand of propping options with Karl and Ofa apparently ambidextrous (or should that be ambicaputrous)?

[Nepia]

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Anyway, we all know Mitchell pinched his tactics from the 03 Blues (but forgot the part about forward dominance).

Yeah he pinched the counter attack off the Blues and used their back 3 of Mils , Joe and Howlett , they were doing it through the 03 super rugby season , where ironically Henry was an assistant , Mitchell wasnt doing it the year before ,

Chicken egg situation there

But Mils was playing centre at the Blues and Rok was rotated on the wing with Gear. Howlett played fullback for most of that Blues season. And lets not forget the most damaging player on that Blues back 3 that year did not make the ABs.....

So Mitchell did vary it quite a bit.

Reaching ... and we all know by Mitchell you mean Deans.

[kiwiinmelb]

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Anyway, we all know Mitchell pinched his tactics from the 03 Blues (but forgot the part about forward dominance).

Yeah he pinched the counter attack off the Blues and used their back 3 of Mils , Joe and Howlett , they were doing it through the 03 super rugby season , where ironically Henry was an assistant , Mitchell wasnt doing it the year before ,

Chicken egg situation there

But Mils was playing centre at the Blues and Rok was rotated on the wing with Gear. Howlett played fullback for most of that Blues season. And lets not forget the most damaging player on that Blues back 3 that year did not make the ABs.....

So Mitchell did vary it quite a bit.

I thought they were rotated a fair bit ,can remember Rico Gear playing 13 as well when mils played FB , But it was a long time ago ,

And they did try to get Rupeni

[MN5]

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Anyway, we all know Mitchell pinched his tactics from the 03 Blues (but forgot the part about forward dominance).

Yeah he pinched the counter attack off the Blues and used their back 3 of Mils , Joe and Howlett , they were doing it through the 03 super rugby season , where ironically Henry was an assistant , Mitchell wasnt doing it the year before ,

Chicken egg situation there

But Mils was playing centre at the Blues and Rok was rotated on the wing with Gear. Howlett played fullback for most of that Blues season. And lets not forget the most damaging player on that Blues back 3 that year did not make the ABs.....

So Mitchell did vary it quite a bit.

I thought they were rotated a fair bit ,can remember Rico Gear playing 13 as well when mils played FB , But it was a long time ago ,

And they did try to get Rupeni

Old mate Rupeni coulda been the best AB wing ever. Sigh.

[kiwiinmelb]

@mn5 said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Anyway, we all know Mitchell pinched his tactics from the 03 Blues (but forgot the part about forward dominance).

Yeah he pinched the counter attack off the Blues and used their back 3 of Mils , Joe and Howlett , they were doing it through the 03 super rugby season , where ironically Henry was an assistant , Mitchell wasnt doing it the year before ,

Chicken egg situation there

But Mils was playing centre at the Blues and Rok was rotated on the wing with Gear. Howlett played fullback for most of that Blues season. And lets not forget the most damaging player on that Blues back 3 that year did not make the ABs.....

So Mitchell did vary it quite a bit.

I thought they were rotated a fair bit ,can remember Rico Gear playing 13 as well when mils played FB , But it was a long time ago ,

And they did try to get Rupeni

Old mate Rupeni coulda been the best AB wing ever. Sigh.

When we couldnt get him , we settled for Joe Rok instead ,

not a bad consolation , he went ok

[ACT Crusader]

Rupeni the greatest All Black that never was. Right up there with Josh Blackie

[MN5]

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@mn5 said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Anyway, we all know Mitchell pinched his tactics from the 03 Blues (but forgot the part about forward dominance).

Yeah he pinched the counter attack off the Blues and used their back 3 of Mils , Joe and Howlett , they were doing it through the 03 super rugby season , where ironically Henry was an assistant , Mitchell wasnt doing it the year before ,

Chicken egg situation there

But Mils was playing centre at the Blues and Rok was rotated on the wing with Gear. Howlett played fullback for most of that Blues season. And lets not forget the most damaging player on that Blues back 3 that year did not make the ABs.....

So Mitchell did vary it quite a bit.

I thought they were rotated a fair bit ,can remember Rico Gear playing 13 as well when mils played FB , But it was a long time ago ,

And they did try to get Rupeni

Old mate Rupeni coulda been the best AB wing ever. Sigh.

When we couldnt get him , we settled for Joe Rok instead ,

not a bad consolation , he went ok

True. He took heaps longer than Rupeni to get fat and ineffective

[Gunner]

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Rupeni the greatest All Black that never was. Right up there with Josh Blackie

Loved Josh Blackie, great player!

Imagine how good Rupeni could have been if he had a McCaw like ticker, or even half a McCaw like ticker.

[Wreck Diver]

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@akan004 yeah I know, same applies to Cane, and I expect with the head knocks it is largely bad luck (poor technique the odd time) so if they are right then they are right...although they are still learning when it comes to the effects of concussion arent they.

I think you are right there. I lot of players have bad tackle techniques, getting the head in the wrong position, tackling off the wrong shoulder resulting in HIA for them.

[Magpie_in_aus]

Interesting fact that I don't know where else it would go. Barrett is two tries outside of the top ten all time for the All Blacks, although Ben Smith is ahead of him at 10th. So probably 4 more tries to crack it providing Ben Smith scores at a similar pace.

[Stargazer]

Sonny Bill Williams to miss Argentina test in Nelson

The All Blacks and Sonny Bill Williams have re-evaluated his return timetable.

The Blues second-five missed the opening two games of the Rugby Championship while he recovered from shoulder surgery with coach Steve Hansen indicating a return against Argentina in Nelson as the likely comeback date.

Despite Williams' recovery from surgery being on schedule, the 33-year-old isn't isn't confident he will be fully fit for Saturday's test with the Pumas.

Williams said he doesn't believe he is ready for 80 minutes of rugby, but is keen to get back onto the doctors table to get an update.

"It's going okay," Williams told Newshub.

"The doctors said recovery would be anywhere from 10 to 14 weeks - it's 10 weeks at the moment so keen to get back into camp and talk with the medical staff and see how I am tracking. But fingers crossed we are all good to go.

"Probably not right now (ready for 80 minutes) but again, it’s important that I get back into the environment, chat with the medical team and go through a couple good weeks training with the boys."

Hansen agreed, identifying the following week against the Springboks as a more likely estimate.