All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson

[MN5]

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Anyway, we all know Mitchell pinched his tactics from the 03 Blues (but forgot the part about forward dominance).

Yeah he pinched the counter attack off the Blues and used their back 3 of Mils , Joe and Howlett , they were doing it through the 03 super rugby season , where ironically Henry was an assistant , Mitchell wasnt doing it the year before ,

Chicken egg situation there

But Mils was playing centre at the Blues and Rok was rotated on the wing with Gear. Howlett played fullback for most of that Blues season. And lets not forget the most damaging player on that Blues back 3 that year did not make the ABs.....

So Mitchell did vary it quite a bit.

I thought they were rotated a fair bit ,can remember Rico Gear playing 13 as well when mils played FB , But it was a long time ago ,

And they did try to get Rupeni

Old mate Rupeni coulda been the best AB wing ever. Sigh.

[kiwiinmelb]

@mn5 said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Anyway, we all know Mitchell pinched his tactics from the 03 Blues (but forgot the part about forward dominance).

Yeah he pinched the counter attack off the Blues and used their back 3 of Mils , Joe and Howlett , they were doing it through the 03 super rugby season , where ironically Henry was an assistant , Mitchell wasnt doing it the year before ,

Chicken egg situation there

But Mils was playing centre at the Blues and Rok was rotated on the wing with Gear. Howlett played fullback for most of that Blues season. And lets not forget the most damaging player on that Blues back 3 that year did not make the ABs.....

So Mitchell did vary it quite a bit.

I thought they were rotated a fair bit ,can remember Rico Gear playing 13 as well when mils played FB , But it was a long time ago ,

And they did try to get Rupeni

Old mate Rupeni coulda been the best AB wing ever. Sigh.

When we couldnt get him , we settled for Joe Rok instead ,

not a bad consolation , he went ok

[ACT Crusader]

Rupeni the greatest All Black that never was. Right up there with Josh Blackie

[MN5]

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@mn5 said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Anyway, we all know Mitchell pinched his tactics from the 03 Blues (but forgot the part about forward dominance).

Yeah he pinched the counter attack off the Blues and used their back 3 of Mils , Joe and Howlett , they were doing it through the 03 super rugby season , where ironically Henry was an assistant , Mitchell wasnt doing it the year before ,

Chicken egg situation there

But Mils was playing centre at the Blues and Rok was rotated on the wing with Gear. Howlett played fullback for most of that Blues season. And lets not forget the most damaging player on that Blues back 3 that year did not make the ABs.....

So Mitchell did vary it quite a bit.

I thought they were rotated a fair bit ,can remember Rico Gear playing 13 as well when mils played FB , But it was a long time ago ,

And they did try to get Rupeni

Old mate Rupeni coulda been the best AB wing ever. Sigh.

When we couldnt get him , we settled for Joe Rok instead ,

not a bad consolation , he went ok

True. He took heaps longer than Rupeni to get fat and ineffective

[Gunner]

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

Rupeni the greatest All Black that never was. Right up there with Josh Blackie

Loved Josh Blackie, great player!

Imagine how good Rupeni could have been if he had a McCaw like ticker, or even half a McCaw like ticker.

[Wreck Diver]

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@akan004 yeah I know, same applies to Cane, and I expect with the head knocks it is largely bad luck (poor technique the odd time) so if they are right then they are right...although they are still learning when it comes to the effects of concussion arent they.

I think you are right there. I lot of players have bad tackle techniques, getting the head in the wrong position, tackling off the wrong shoulder resulting in HIA for them.

[Magpie_in_aus]

Interesting fact that I don't know where else it would go. Barrett is two tries outside of the top ten all time for the All Blacks, although Ben Smith is ahead of him at 10th. So probably 4 more tries to crack it providing Ben Smith scores at a similar pace.

[Stargazer]

Sonny Bill Williams to miss Argentina test in Nelson

The All Blacks and Sonny Bill Williams have re-evaluated his return timetable.

The Blues second-five missed the opening two games of the Rugby Championship while he recovered from shoulder surgery with coach Steve Hansen indicating a return against Argentina in Nelson as the likely comeback date.

Despite Williams' recovery from surgery being on schedule, the 33-year-old isn't isn't confident he will be fully fit for Saturday's test with the Pumas.

Williams said he doesn't believe he is ready for 80 minutes of rugby, but is keen to get back onto the doctors table to get an update.

"It's going okay," Williams told Newshub.

"The doctors said recovery would be anywhere from 10 to 14 weeks - it's 10 weeks at the moment so keen to get back into camp and talk with the medical staff and see how I am tracking. But fingers crossed we are all good to go.

"Probably not right now (ready for 80 minutes) but again, it’s important that I get back into the environment, chat with the medical team and go through a couple good weeks training with the boys."

Hansen agreed, identifying the following week against the Springboks as a more likely estimate.

[pakman]

My take (excluding Crotty, notwithstanding AB suggestions he's fully recovered):

15 Jordie Barrett
14 milner skuddar
13 Jack goodhue
12 Anton Lienert-Brown
11 waisake Naholo
10 richie mo'unga
9 aaron Smith
8 Kieran Reid
7 ardie savea
6 Liam Squire
5 Brodie retallick
4 scott Barrett
3 owen Franks
2 Codie Taylor
1 Karl tuuinukuafe

Replacements-
Tim Perry
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
nathan Harris
Sam cane
Jason Hemopo
Te taraua tahuriorangi
Damian McKenzie
ngani laumape

[Bovidae]

The fact that they released TJP late to play for Welly suggests to me that he'll be starting. He did start the home test vs Argentina last year.

[cgrant]

When is Rieko Ioane back ?

[Crucial]

@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

My take (excluding Crotty, notwithstanding AB suggestions he's fully recovered):

15 Jordie Barrett
14 milner skuddar
13 Jack goodhue
12 Anton Lienert-Brown
11 waisake Naholo
10 richie mo'unga
9 aaron Smith
8 Kieran Reid
7 ardie savea
6 Liam Squire
5 Brodie retallick
4 scott Barrett
3 owen Franks
2 Codie Taylor
1 Karl tuuinukuafe

Replacements-
Tim Perry
Ofa Tu’ungafasi
nathan Harris
Sam cane
Jason Hemopo
Te taraua tahuriorangi
Damian McKenzie
ngani laumape

Too many changes I think. I get the opportunity to give some guys a break before the rest of the year but if BB is going to rest we need BFA at 15 to keep an experienced read on things.
Also think that if/when RM is going to start, they will pair him with Crotty.

[pakman]

@crucial I don't particularly disagree.

If Mo'unga starts I suspect Crotty will be there to support him, which opens door to TJP start. But I was working from wanting to give Crotty rest, in which case ALB needs to be at twelve (at least for first half) and Nugget at 9.

As I was typing it did strike me that back three quite raw. I think they want NMS to get a start, so including BFA, which I agree is logical/likely, means resting Barrett (J) or Naholo. On balance I'd give Jordie another run, given he is on a learning curve.

[ACT Crusader]

I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.

[Crucial]

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.

Exactly.

The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.

[Victor Meldrew]

@mn5 said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

They should be thankful it's not Levin or Gore

My ancestors came from Gore. Explains a lot actually, come to think of it.....

[Wreck Diver]

@crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.

Exactly.

The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.

That's another bogan ball term that's crept into rugby

[pakman]

@wreck-diver In the day people used to joke that there was a shiver running up and down Bill Rowlings's back looking for a spine.

[pakman]

@crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.

Exactly.

The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.

Again, broadly agree. That said, BFA at 14 would allow quite a lot of input. If more required Waiseke gets a day off.

P.S. I'd be surprised in Crotty doesn't get a start in the land of his father.

[ACT Crusader]

@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@crucial said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina - Nelson:

I can’t see them starting a test match with Richie at 10 and Jordie at 15. Not this early in their careers. Given the importance of our 10 and 15 in counter attack, playmaking etc, they need at least one of our experienced heads to be there.

Exactly.

The spine runs from 2 to 8, 9, 10 and 15. A rookie 10 should be supported with experience at 12 and 15.

Again, broadly agree. That said, BFA at 14 would allow quite a lot of input. If more required Waiseke gets a day off.

P.S. I'd be surprised in Crotty doesn't get a start in the land of his father.

I wouldn’t be changing Naholo. He’s in the same camp as Squire for me and starts every test match in this RC. Since first making the ABs he’s been more broken than available, so as long as he’s fit he needs game time. Plus we need his pace against the quick Argie backs.

On Crotty, Hansen doesn’t really do sentimentality.