All Blacks v Springboks
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Some utterly brainless shit cost us big time tonight.
BB's rubbish goal kicking was the losing of the game. Just not good enough. Problem is that it has been so obvious for so long but we keep getting told there is no issue. Criminal that there were two better kickers in the team going unused too.
The lack of droppie attempt at the end was a big concern too. That is the sort of bone headed play that results in embarrassing early exits from RWC's.
Im more pissed off about the nature of the loss than actually losing the game. This AB team looks great when things come off and we can run up big scores quickly but this game and the Lions series have exposed them a bit when they are under pressure late in a game. We are probably 2:2 in close finishes in the last two seasons.
From 2008-2015 we had quite a few close losses with some ‘brain dead’ play, but yet won two world cups. Go figure aye.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Some utterly brainless shit cost us big time tonight.
BB's rubbish goal kicking was the losing of the game. Just not good enough. Problem is that it has been so obvious for so long but we keep getting told there is no issue. Criminal that there were two better kickers in the team going unused too.
The lack of droppie attempt at the end was a big concern too. That is the sort of bone headed play that results in embarrassing early exits from RWC's.
Im more pissed off about the nature of the loss than actually losing the game. This AB team looks great when things come off and we can run up big scores quickly but this game and the Lions series have exposed them a bit when they are under pressure late in a game. We are probably 2:2 in close finishes in the last two seasons.
From 2008-2015 we had quite a few close losses with some ‘brain dead’ play, but yet won two world cups. Go figure aye.
And we saw some pretty important goal/drop kicks go over to win us those world cups. Go figure.
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@tim said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Gotta say we missed Retallick big time.
Dunno...was a lot of ordinary and poor from a good number of players, BBBR is damn good the way we played I don't think we'd have won.
Too much rust out there, dumb decisions and pushing the play (almost sounds like after a northland game)
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@taniwharugby I do wonder if, with Barrett in place of Retallick, Squire has to play tighter. He wasn't very visible tonight.
@tim said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@taniwharugby I do wonder if, with Barrett in place of Retallick, Squire has to play tighter. He wasn't very visible tonight.
He appeared to get injured early on a few times then went missing a bit.
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It's weird that the All Blacks were so bad yet actually so good in much of what they did. Dominated the game and scored 6 tries. Any other team would have been savaged tonight. So we'll done to the Boks - if they can play like that every week they will be world number 2 soon. Yet they lost to the Aussies ... Very weird
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Some utterly brainless shit cost us big time tonight.
BB's rubbish goal kicking was the losing of the game. Just not good enough. Problem is that it has been so obvious for so long but we keep getting told there is no issue. Criminal that there were two better kickers in the team going unused too.
The lack of droppie attempt at the end was a big concern too. That is the sort of bone headed play that results in embarrassing early exits from RWC's.
Im more pissed off about the nature of the loss than actually losing the game. This AB team looks great when things come off and we can run up big scores quickly but this game and the Lions series have exposed them a bit when they are under pressure late in a game. We are probably 2:2 in close finishes in the last two seasons.
From 2008-2015 we had quite a few close losses with some ‘brain dead’ play, but yet won two world cups. Go figure aye.
And we saw some pretty important goal/drop kicks go over to win us those world cups. Go figure.
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Some utterly brainless shit cost us big time tonight.
BB's rubbish goal kicking was the losing of the game. Just not good enough. Problem is that it has been so obvious for so long but we keep getting told there is no issue. Criminal that there were two better kickers in the team going unused too.
The lack of droppie attempt at the end was a big concern too. That is the sort of bone headed play that results in embarrassing early exits from RWC's.
Im more pissed off about the nature of the loss than actually losing the game. This AB team looks great when things come off and we can run up big scores quickly but this game and the Lions series have exposed them a bit when they are under pressure late in a game. We are probably 2:2 in close finishes in the last two seasons.
From 2008-2015 we had quite a few close losses with some ‘brain dead’ play, but yet won two world cups. Go figure aye.
And we saw some pretty important goal/drop kicks go over to win us those world cups. Go figure.
And yet we didn’t see them very often if at all in the intervening years to pull out a victory in a close test. Go figure back at ya.
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@tim said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@taniwharugby I do wonder if, with Barrett in place of Retallick, Squire has to play tighter. He wasn't very visible tonight.
He appeared to get injured early on a few times then went missing a bit.
@unite Squire should have been subbed after the initial injury. I said this to my watching companion at the time.
He clearly wasn't right. You could see it in the driving maul try where the South African hooker scored and then on the second half kick off.
I was stunned that he took til 58 minutes to come off.
I do acknowledge that the player and the training staff have more knowledge of the injury than me, but I think the "warrior mentality" of the players hurts the team at times
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@rebound said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@derm-mccrum how they dominates the game should've easily won by way more than 10 points. The Boks should've have more yellows for persistent infringing. If it was the ABs getting away with so many conspiracies would've been abound about refs helping them
persistent infringing is such a bullshit reason to bray for cards.
Those consecutive penalties include the bok dominant scrum penalty that went against them , and Snyman stuffing up an attempted turnover.
I hate it regardless of the team. Consecutive/persistent penalties include refereeing mistakes or sometimes just bad luck.
@rapido really how does your mind work. In this game there was more penalties awarded in the 2nd half then in the 1st half and the telling thing is the ABs were not penalised in the 2nd half. That's persistent infringing and requires progressively harsher penalties. That is the whole point of penalties on rugby. Otherwise what's the point then if a team can concede p
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@jegga said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Just checking ,has anyone who isn’t a crusaders fan said Mounga would have won us the game ?
I don't think anyone (full stop) has said Mo'unga would have won us the game.
Yeah. Nah
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The loss we had to have.
Although if only we went with
Moody, Taylor, Franks, Whitelock, Barrett, Taufua, Todd, Read, FABBH, Mo’unga, FABGB, Crotty, Goodhue, Tamanivalu, Havili
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks:
The loss we had to have.
Although if only we went with
Moody, Taylor, Franks, Whitelock, Barrett, Taufua, Todd, Read, FABBH, Mo’unga, FABGB, Crotty, Goodhue, Tamanivalu, Havili
8 North Islanders and a Fijian poach.
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Is it time to start DMac at 15 instead of JB if we're going to persist with BFA at 14? The supposed DMac is a headless chook and JB is solid is a myth and DMac actually had some decent test matches at 15 last year.
But, you can see that some posters still have DMac blinkers as he's getting some shit yet him and Goodhue added heaps when they came on (Goodhue more than DMac it must be said, he was on fire) and as @Mokey pointed out DMac was set for a drop goal for ages.
I think in the last 10 minutes, especially with the Boks down a man we overdid the ruck hit ups and should have spread wide, and I mean wide, not down the blind, earlier when defenders were being sucked in.
BB's general play outside his kicking was pretty average too, stupid kicks to the sideline and he was doing a weird hip pass thing to players with defenders on him.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks:
The loss we had to have.
Although if only we went with
Moody, Taylor, Franks, Whitelock, Barrett, Taufua, Todd, Read, FABBH, Mo’unga, FABGB, Crotty, Goodhue, Tamanivalu, Havili
8 North Islanders and a Fijian poach.
@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks:
The loss we had to have.
Although if only we went with
Moody, Taylor, Franks, Whitelock, Barrett, Taufua, Todd, Read, FABBH, Mo’unga, FABGB, Crotty, Goodhue, Tamanivalu, Havili
8 North Islanders and a Fijian poach.
He’s a deserved All Black and could fill a ‘void’ on the right wing
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@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks:
The loss we had to have.
Although if only we went with
Moody, Taylor, Franks, Whitelock, Barrett, Taufua, Todd, Read, FABBH, Mo’unga, FABGB, Crotty, Goodhue, Tamanivalu, Havili
8 North Islanders and a Fijian poach.
He’s a deserved All Black and could fill a ‘void’ on the right wing
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks:
The loss we had to have.
Although if only we went with
Moody, Taylor, Franks, Whitelock, Barrett, Taufua, Todd, Read, FABBH, Mo’unga, FABGB, Crotty, Goodhue, Tamanivalu, Havili
8 North Islanders and a Fijian poach.
He’s a deserved All Black and could fill a ‘void’ on the right wing
He's still a Fijian poach - I'm only being factual.
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At least we’re not Aussie.......
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Hmmm....Jordie has an off match and now he's cake? Pretty rough. Can't say I would be uncomfortable with DMac there though, but Jordie has had some cracking plays in other matches.
@bones said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Hmmm....Jordie has an off match and now he's cake? Pretty rough. Can't say I would be uncomfortable with DMac there though, but Jordie has had some cracking plays in other matches.
Some of us have never considered Jordie to be the Golden Boy that others do. He's decent but I don't think he's deserves that 15 by right.
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Take a chill pill. This was like that Rodders test in 2006. Hubris and some massive brain explosions. Take away those 2 ridiculous intercepts and that mindless penalty before half time and that's a 15 point win.
Relax, the ABs need losses like this to make sure it doesn't happen again.
