All Blacks v Springboks
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Judging by that team you'd think the Boks beat us by 50 points.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Judging by that team you'd think the Boks beat us by 50 points.
Codie Taylor was the best forward on the park in both tests.
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Kriel didn't play center. I guess I should just stop there.Will.not.mention.that.pack.between.them.would.be.surviving.on.scraps.
@rapido I guess he at least slotted in there when replacements were made...however that probably coincided with Goodhue tearing shit up.
Although, I am mildly impressed they managed to figure that Kolisi is an openside despite playing in 6. Seems many posters here can't even figure that one.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Squire will miss the rest of the RC. Hope they bring in Akira.
What for? Donât you know they picked 8 blindside flankers in the squad.
In all seriousness, Frizzell will be given further opportunity.
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I have a half arsed theory that Beaudy's kicking tee is way too high.
Looks like he's using the tee you would use with your driver, except he's playing a par three.
It just looks like the margin of error is way too high off such a high tee.
I haven't really spent much time checking to see what type of tee other kickers are using.
Regardless of that, his kick trajectory is wildly inconsistent, he doesn't seem to be sure if he's trying a draw or a fade or a straight kick trajectory.
One of the latter misses looked to me like his foot was way off where it should have been contacting the ball.
The drop kick palaver, short memory guys, short memory.
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Kriel didn't play center. I guess I should just stop there.Will.not.mention.that.pack.between.them.would.be.surviving.on.scraps.
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@mikethesnow you're usually fairly onto it, but Smith was getting dominated physically by a midget. Consistently. Was stoked when Perenara came on, only to watch him spray it like Charlie Baileygates.
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Judging by that team you'd think the Boks beat us by 50 points.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Judging by that team you'd think the Boks beat us by 50 points.
The usual media overreaction. Also not buying into this talk from many that we were beaten by a better team on the day. We beat ourselves really with sheer stupidity at times and of course Beauden's misses.
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Judging by that team you'd think the Boks beat us by 50 points.
The usual media overreaction. Also not buying into this talk from many that we were beaten by a better team on the day. We beat ourselves really with sheer stupidity at times and of course Beauden's misses.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Judging by that team you'd think the Boks beat us by 50 points.
The usual media overreaction. Also not buying into this talk from many that we were beaten by a better team on the day. We beat ourselves really with sheer stupidity at times and of course Beauden's misses.
I mustâve missed the part when there were 30 guys in black jerseyâs on the park.
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Judging by that team you'd think the Boks beat us by 50 points.
The usual media overreaction. Also not buying into this talk from many that we were beaten by a better team on the day. We beat ourselves really with sheer stupidity at times and of course Beauden's misses.
@akan004 you should have seen the English punters all over it with glee yesterday, that's the kind of thing that makes it really hard to support them even after living here ten years. Greenwood and Barnes were delighted.
Edit: just remembered they also declared the AB England match is a non event and the boks are the big game in the "autumn" internationals.
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Well done Boks, that win is fair enough. Drove us back in many tackles and rattled the current 2 time world player of the year.
"Only as good as your last game"
2 stand outs for me:
Best example of goalkicking losing a game you'll ever see, perhaps the only example in professional rugby.
Lost to Boks at home because the antecedent of Don Clarke, Allen Hewson, Grant Fox, Andrew Mehrtens and Dan Carter ( to name a few) couldn't land kicks a 16 year old would nail!!??
That's not fucking happening again I should hope!
Secondly, can we plan for a half hour of possession and territory play, you know the type of percentage play that is the bedrock of All Black rugby, the stuff we forged our record with?
Only 30 mins worth, say if we get a start and the opposition fluke 2 tries and the lead, perhaps we could grind and play tight and patient for 25 mins or so. Can always helter skelter in the second half.Loved Karl T. today
Compulsory sing along in the sheds, Led Zeppelin, "Nobody's fault but mine"
6 tries and lose, dickheads
@siam said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Lost to Boks at home because the antecedent of Don Clarke, Allen Hewson, Grant Fox, Andrew Mehrtens and Dan Carter ( to name a few) couldn't land kicks a 16 year old would nail!!??
The Boot used to kick âem long range, out of the mud, no kicking tee. With the toe of his boot. I guess by the time Fox was around they were using small mounds of dirt.
Beaudenâs shitshow landing place kicks yesterday has me as vexxed and mystified as when Anton Oliver couldnât throw into the lineout straight. Try some practice drills. All the tools and elements of the modern game are there. If you practice-practice-practice and still canât find the greens and make your putts, maybe itâs time to find another putter, or spend some more time practicing.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Why are people saying "if we'd started Mo'unga"? Did they not watch his first test start?
Probably because a Mo'unga-BB 10 - 15 combo could have worked better than the BB-JB combo?
I'd never have started Mo'unga in this game but I'd have preferred him on the bench so that BB could drop back to 15 in the second half and RM could play at first five-eighth.
Would Moâunga have taken over the kicking? DMac and JB are better kickers than BB, and even with BB having a particularly bad night with the boot Read didnât give the ball to anyone else.
That was the most inexplicable thing to me, where was the captaincy to adjust when something was going wrong?
@kirwan said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Why are people saying "if we'd started Mo'unga"? Did they not watch his first test start?
Probably because a Mo'unga-BB 10 - 15 combo could have worked better than the BB-JB combo?
I'd never have started Mo'unga in this game but I'd have preferred him on the bench so that BB could drop back to 15 in the second half and RM could play at first five-eighth.
Would Moâunga have taken over the kicking? DMac and JB are better kickers than BB, and even with BB having a particularly bad night with the boot Read didnât give the ball to anyone else.
That was the most inexplicable thing to me, where was the captaincy to adjust when something was going wrong?
That was I didn't get. It became pretty obvious early on BB was having a shocker from the tee, so why not change the kicker? DMac - or hell even get the pimply giraffe to earn his keep FFS!
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A few things learnt
1 BBBR is definetly missed
2 some of the younger players still have a bit of learning to do in high pressure games (Goodhue the exception)
3 high risk fast paced rugby is great but it is exactly that and some times the ball just wont bounce your way (literally) and sometimes the game may need to be slowed down
4 Beaden Barrett will miss a few kicks but we don't lose too many tests when he is on the park
5 Ben Smith is playing his best rugby, shame he seemed to be under utilised in the second half@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
A few things learnt
4 Beaden Barrett will miss a few kicks but we don't lose too many tests when he is on the park
Depends what you mean by "many".
His win-loss ratio (when starting) is way below Cruden's and Carter's.
Since he's been our starting 1st-5 we've lost to Ireland, not won the Lions series, struggled against Scotland and now lost at home to the Boks. Plus some other losses of less concern.
So we don't lose "many" but an increasing amount of "few".
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@nevorian said in All Blacks v Springboks:
A few things learnt
4 Beaden Barrett will miss a few kicks but we don't lose too many tests when he is on the park
Depends what you mean by "many".
His win-loss ratio (when starting) is way below Cruden's and Carter's.
Since he's been our starting 1st-5 we've lost to Ireland, not won the Lions series, struggled against Scotland and now lost at home to the Boks. Plus some other losses of less concern.
So we don't lose "many" but an increasing amount of "few".
@chester-draws how many due to his kicking?
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@mokey said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Ugh. Stupid media. Nigel didn't cost us the game. Us gifting the Boks at least two of their tries, BB not being able to hit the side of a barn with his goalkicking, and the lack of cool heads embracing the perfect setup for a DMac droppie lost us the game.
technically, he did hit the side of the barn, twice, the ball just bounced away from the entrance
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks:
technically, he did hit the side of the barn, twice, the ball just bounced away from the entrance
Pity It was the wrong fuckin' barn....:smiling_face_with_sunglasses:
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Judging by that team you'd think the Boks beat us by 50 points.
The usual media overreaction. Also not buying into this talk from many that we were beaten by a better team on the day. We beat ourselves really with sheer stupidity at times and of course Beauden's misses.
I mustâve missed the part when there were 30 guys in black jerseyâs on the park.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Judging by that team you'd think the Boks beat us by 50 points.
The usual media overreaction. Also not buying into this talk from many that we were beaten by a better team on the day. We beat ourselves really with sheer stupidity at times and of course Beauden's misses.
I mustâve missed the part when there were 30 guys in black jerseyâs on the park.
Might be the part where we gifted them 2 tries?
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@kirwan said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
Why are people saying "if we'd started Mo'unga"? Did they not watch his first test start?
Probably because a Mo'unga-BB 10 - 15 combo could have worked better than the BB-JB combo?
I'd never have started Mo'unga in this game but I'd have preferred him on the bench so that BB could drop back to 15 in the second half and RM could play at first five-eighth.
Would Moâunga have taken over the kicking? DMac and JB are better kickers than BB, and even with BB having a particularly bad night with the boot Read didnât give the ball to anyone else.
That was the most inexplicable thing to me, where was the captaincy to adjust when something was going wrong?
That was I didn't get. It became pretty obvious early on BB was having a shocker from the tee, so why not change the kicker? DMac - or hell even get the pimply giraffe to earn his keep FFS!
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v Springboks:
That was I didn't get. It became pretty obvious early on BB was having a shocker from the tee, so why not change the kicker? DMac - or hell even get the pimply giraffe to earn his keep FFS!
This was the real issue. You wonder what thought Read gave to changing the kicker.
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@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v Springboks:
That was I didn't get. It became pretty obvious early on BB was having a shocker from the tee, so why not change the kicker? DMac - or hell even get the pimply giraffe to earn his keep FFS!
This was the real issue. You wonder what thought Read gave to changing the kicker.
@victor-meldrew by all accounts the kicking thing was discussed, and agreed among the leadership group to stay as it was...also apparently Read said it was a decison of the 'drivers' (assume TJP & BB) to determine if they should go for the DG or the overlap we had...
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@victor-meldrew by all accounts the kicking thing was discussed, and agreed among the leadership group to stay as it was...also apparently Read said it was a decison of the 'drivers' (assume TJP & BB) to determine if they should go for the DG or the overlap we had...
@taniwharugby Can understand not going for a DG - that makes sense as that approach has worked in the past. Think they need a more flexible approach to the goal-kicking though.
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@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v Springboks:
That was I didn't get. It became pretty obvious early on BB was having a shocker from the tee, so why not change the kicker? DMac - or hell even get the pimply giraffe to earn his keep FFS!
This was the real issue. You wonder what thought Read gave to changing the kicker.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v Springboks:
That was I didn't get. It became pretty obvious early on BB was having a shocker from the tee, so why not change the kicker? DMac - or hell even get the pimply giraffe to earn his keep FFS!
This was the real issue. You wonder what thought Read gave to changing the kicker.
Does Read actually have any input into this in reality though? I would think it is decided between the kickers.
