Exodus 2018
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OVERSEAS-BASED EX-ALL BLACKS
FRANCE (23): Joe Rokocoko (68 tests, Racing 92), Jerome Kaino (83, Toulouse), Neemia Tialata 43, Narbonne), Rudi Wulf (4, Lyon), Hosea Gear (15, Narbonne), Jamie Mackintosh (1, Pau), Colin Slade (21, Pau), Tom Taylor (3, Pau), Benson Stanley (3, Pau) Liam Messam (43, Toulon), Victor Vito (33, La Rochelle), Aaron Cruden (50, Montpellier), Julian Savea (54, Toulon), Charlie Faumuina (50, Toulouse), Tawera Kerr-Barlow (27, La Rochelle), Frank Halai (1, Pau), Dominic Bird (2, Racing 92), Malakai Fekitoa (24, Toulon), George Moala (4, Clermont), Isaia Toeava (35, Clermont), Charlie Ngatai (4, Lyon), Seta Tamanivalu (5, Bordeaux-Begles), Zac Guildford (11, Nevers). TOTAL CAPS: 584.
JAPAN (11): Andy Ellis (28 tests, Kobelco Steelers), Richard Kahui (17, Toshiba Brave Lupus), Isaac Ross (8, NTT Shining Arcs), Tamati Ellison (4, Ricoh Black Rams), Rene Ranger (4, Sunwolves), Israel Dagg (66, Canon Eagles), Augustine Pulu (2, Hino Red Dolphins), Elliot Dixon (3, Black Ricoh Rams), Dan Carter (112, Kobelco Steelers), Mose Tuiali'i (9, Yamaha), Stephen Donald (24, NEC Green Rockets). TOTAL CAPS: 277.
ENGLAND (9): John Afoa (36 tests, Bristol), Ben Franks (47, Northampton), Bryn Evans (2, Sale), Charles Piutau (16, Bristol), Francis Saiili (2, Harlequins), Steven Luatua (14, Bristol), Scott Hamilton (2, Hinckley), Lima Sopoaga (18, Wasps), Sam Tuitupou (9, Coventry). TOTAL CAPS: 146.
IRELAND (1) : Alby Mathewson (5, Munster). TOTAL CAPS: 5.
SCOTLAND (1): Lelia Masaga (1, Glasgow). TOTAL CAPS: 1.
AUSTRALIA (1) : Jeremy Thrush (11, Western Force). TOTAL CAPS: 11.
WALES (1): Regan King (1, Neath). TOTAL CAPS: 1.
FORMER ALL BLACKS (14) STILL BASED IN NEW ZEALAND (not including the current 2018 squad)
Brendon Leonard (13 tests, Taranaki), Tanerau Latimer (6, Bay of Plenty), Wyatt Crockett (71, Ta$man), Mike Delany (1, Bay of Plenty), Jarrod Hoeata (3, Taranaki), Jeffrey Toomaga-Allen (1, Wellington/Hurricanes), James Parsons (2, North Harbour), Matt Duffie (2 non-test games), North Harbour/Blues), Brad Weber (1, Hawke's Bay/Chiefs), Kane Hames (9, Chiefs), Atu Moli (1 non-test game, Chiefs), Akira Ioane (1 non-test game, Auckland/Blues), Hika Elliot (4, Tamatea club, Hawke's Bay), Ma'a Nonu (103, Blues). TOTAL CAPS: 214
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OVERSEAS-BASED EX-ALL BLACKS
FRANCE (23): Joe Rokocoko (68 tests, Racing 92), Jerome Kaino (83, Toulouse), Neemia Tialata 43, Narbonne), Rudi Wulf (4, Lyon), Hosea Gear (15, Narbonne), Jamie Mackintosh (1, Pau), Colin Slade (21, Pau), Tom Taylor (3, Pau), Benson Stanley (3, Pau) Liam Messam (43, Toulon), Victor Vito (33, La Rochelle), Aaron Cruden (50, Montpellier), Julian Savea (54, Toulon), Charlie Faumuina (50, Toulouse), Tawera Kerr-Barlow (27, La Rochelle), Frank Halai (1, Pau), Dominic Bird (2, Racing 92), Malakai Fekitoa (24, Toulon), George Moala (4, Clermont), Isaia Toeava (35, Clermont), Charlie Ngatai (4, Lyon), Seta Tamanivalu (5, Bordeaux-Begles), Zac Guildford (11, Nevers). TOTAL CAPS: 584.
JAPAN (11): Andy Ellis (28 tests, Kobelco Steelers), Richard Kahui (17, Toshiba Brave Lupus), Isaac Ross (8, NTT Shining Arcs), Tamati Ellison (4, Ricoh Black Rams), Rene Ranger (4, Sunwolves), Israel Dagg (66, Canon Eagles), Augustine Pulu (2, Hino Red Dolphins), Elliot Dixon (3, Black Ricoh Rams), Dan Carter (112, Kobelco Steelers), Mose Tuiali'i (9, Yamaha), Stephen Donald (24, NEC Green Rockets). TOTAL CAPS: 277.
ENGLAND (9): John Afoa (36 tests, Bristol), Ben Franks (47, Northampton), Bryn Evans (2, Sale), Charles Piutau (16, Bristol), Francis Saiili (2, Harlequins), Steven Luatua (14, Bristol), Scott Hamilton (2, Hinckley), Lima Sopoaga (18, Wasps), Sam Tuitupou (9, Coventry). TOTAL CAPS: 146.
IRELAND (1) : Alby Mathewson (5, Munster). TOTAL CAPS: 5.
SCOTLAND (1): Lelia Masaga (1, Glasgow). TOTAL CAPS: 1.
AUSTRALIA (1) : Jeremy Thrush (11, Western Force). TOTAL CAPS: 11.
WALES (1): Regan King (1, Neath). TOTAL CAPS: 1.
FORMER ALL BLACKS (14) STILL BASED IN NEW ZEALAND (not including the current 2018 squad)
Brendon Leonard (13 tests, Taranaki), Tanerau Latimer (6, Bay of Plenty), Wyatt Crockett (71, Ta$man), Mike Delany (1, Bay of Plenty), Jarrod Hoeata (3, Taranaki), Jeffrey Toomaga-Allen (1, Wellington/Hurricanes), James Parsons (2, North Harbour), Matt Duffie (2 non-test games), North Harbour/Blues), Brad Weber (1, Hawke's Bay/Chiefs), Kane Hames (9, Chiefs), Atu Moli (1 non-test game, Chiefs), Akira Ioane (1 non-test game, Auckland/Blues), Hika Elliot (4, Tamatea club, Hawke's Bay), Ma'a Nonu (103, Blues). TOTAL CAPS: 214
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@nepia only a couple years older than Sam Tuitupou...
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So I'm having an extremely slow day at work so thought I'd select France v the Rest XVs. Both teams struggled to make complete XVs so I've added a few players from the NZ based ex ABs - they're marked with an asterisk (*).
France:
1 Tialata
2 Hika*
3 Faumuina
4 Bird
5 Hoeata*
6 Kaino
7 Victor Vito
8 Messam
9 TKB
10 AC
11 Joe Roks
12 Maori Jesus
13 Fekitoa
14 Savea
15 SladeRest:
1 Afoa
2 Parsons*
3 Franks
4 Ross
5 Thrush
6 Luatua
7 Dixon
8 Tuiali’i
9 Ellis
10 DC
11 Ranger
12 Ellison
13 Kahui
14 Piutau
15 DaggNo idea who would win.
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@nepia wow Hika Elliott is in Nz? Thought he was overseas
@allblacksfan72 said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia wow Hika Elliott is in Nz? Thought he was overseas
I think that he came back in between contracts and played for Tamatea (and they lost points because he was ineligible). @Stargazer might have more accurate information.
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@allblacksfan72 said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia wow Hika Elliott is in Nz? Thought he was overseas
I think that he came back in between contracts and played for Tamatea (and they lost points because he was ineligible). @Stargazer might have more accurate information.
@nepia said in Exodus 2018:
@allblacksfan72 said in Exodus 2018:
@nepia wow Hika Elliott is in Nz? Thought he was overseas
I think that he came back in between contracts and played for Tamatea (and they lost points because he was ineligible). @Stargazer might have more accurate information.
Hika Elliott is in France and recently signed with Nevers (Pro D2). He's been training (and traveling) in France for (approx) the last two months, spending some time in Clermont with Tim NW and his family, among others, before heading to Nevers.
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Tamiti Elliosn isn't with Ricoh Black Rams anymore. He and his brother are playing for Kurita Water Gush (Top Challenge League).
About Regan King: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/welsh-rugbys-strange-regan-king-15182160
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Tamiti Elliosn isn't with Ricoh Black Rams anymore. He and his brother are playing for Kurita Water Gush (Top Challenge League).
About Regan King: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/welsh-rugbys-strange-regan-king-15182160
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@stargazer LOL, is "Water Gush" a literal translation of something like "torrent"?
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Tamiti Elliosn isn't with Ricoh Black Rams anymore. He and his brother are playing for Kurita Water Gush (Top Challenge League).
About Regan King: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/welsh-rugbys-strange-regan-king-15182160
@stargazer said in Exodus 2018:
Tamiti Elliosn isn't with Ricoh Black Rams anymore. He and his brother are playing for Kurita Water Gush (Top Challenge League).
About Regan King: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/welsh-rugbys-strange-regan-king-15182160
Interesting that there’s no full time ex-NZ test players in Wales, Ireland or Scotland. King plays for an amateur/semipro club. Mathewson is a 3 month medical joker, and Masaga plays for Glasgow Hawks amateur club.
They’re investing their monies now mainly in their academies as you can see in the PRO14.
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In the article I read, it was implied that he wanted to play in the WC again, but I don't think it directly said he wanted to return to the ABs.
I wonder if he would take the sevens work around and try to play for Tonga? That would be much easier.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/malakai-fekitoa-not-done-rugby-world-cups/
@gt12 said in Exodus 2018:
In the article I read, it was implied that he wanted to play in the WC again, but I don't think it directly said he wanted to return to the ABs.
I wonder if he would take the sevens work around and try to play for Tonga? That would be much easier.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/malakai-fekitoa-not-done-rugby-world-cups/
Apparently, he has signed with Wasps, joining his mate Lima. Not officially announced yet.
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This should read: "temporary big-money moves."
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12145452
@stargazer Indeed. But how else can NZ compete? Short term deals may become the norm quite soon.
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@stargazer Indeed. But how else can NZ compete? Short term deals may become the norm quite soon.
@shadowtrooper I have no problems with it. As long as they are coming back. But obviously, some players will run a risk of losing their starting jersey, BB being the most obvious example.
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@tim so post RWC, good on him, still world class, but he is definitely on the down hill side of his peak.
