England vs All Blacks
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Is this the first time the All Blacks have a full compliment to choose from?
Even allowing guys coming back from injury or illness.
When was the last time we had Coles, BBBR, SBW, Ben from accounts, our starting props etc all available at the same time? -
Is this the first time the All Blacks have a full compliment to choose from?
Even allowing guys coming back from injury or illness.
When was the last time we had Coles, BBBR, SBW, Ben from accounts, our starting props etc all available at the same time?@virgil Perfect timing to kick some Pommy ass.
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Is this the first time the All Blacks have a full compliment to choose from?
Even allowing guys coming back from injury or illness.
When was the last time we had Coles, BBBR, SBW, Ben from accounts, our starting props etc all available at the same time? -
@canefan said in England Vs All Blacks:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12155194
Another dig at Cheika.....
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@victor-meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
@mikethesnow said in England Vs All Blacks:
They bring it on themselves.
Very diplomatic. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Typical Welsh comment on this topic is: "the England Football team are great and I'll support them when Wales isn't playing, ditto the English Rugby League team and of course, Cricket. But I just can't understand why the Pom Rugby team always has so many pricks in it"
Logical. Over time
England football > Wales football
England cricket > Wales cricket
England league > Wales leagueHowever at Union it’s pretty much much parity over the years with sporadic periods of dominance one way or another = greater rivalry.
It’s just that in comparison we don’t get so easily worked up about it.
Worked in Sth Wales for 2 years. The likes of Jason Leonard, Will Carling & Robshaw etc, were regarded as top blokes while the likes of Mike Brown or Matt Dawson were seen as twats.
Personally, I think the Welsh just have a finely developed sense of which players are pricks to lose to...
Oh, and Jonathan "space out wide, space out wide" Davies was regarded as a complete tosser for some reason
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Is this the first time the All Blacks have a full compliment to choose from?
Even allowing guys coming back from injury or illness.
When was the last time we had Coles, BBBR, SBW, Ben from accounts, our starting props etc all available at the same time?@virgil outside of probably Whitelock & Taylor, rest of the forwards have had decent spells on the sideline so fatigue shouldn't be an issue as it can be at this time of year.
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Worked in Sth Wales for 2 years. The likes of Jason Leonard, Will Carling & Robshaw etc, were regarded as top blokes while the likes of Mike Brown or Matt Dawson were seen as twats.
Personally, I think the Welsh just have a finely developed sense of which players are pricks to lose to...
Oh, and Jonathan "space out wide, space out wide" Davies was regarded as a complete tosser for some reason
@victor-meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
Worked in Sth Wales for 2 years. The likes of Jason Leonard, Will Carling & Robshaw etc, were regarded as top blokes while the likes of Mike Brown or Matt Dawson were seen as twats.
Personally, I think the Welsh just have a finely developed sense of which players are pricks to lose to...
Oh, and Jonathan "space out wide, space out wide" Davies was regarded as a complete tosser for some reason
I hated Carling with a passion when he played but having seen him interviewed numerous times since it is quite devastating to see that hes actually a bloody funny and seemingly good bloke.
Thank god I'll always have Matt Dawson to hate with Brad Haddin like passion....
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@victor-meldrew said in England Vs All Blacks:
Worked in Sth Wales for 2 years. The likes of Jason Leonard, Will Carling & Robshaw etc, were regarded as top blokes while the likes of Mike Brown or Matt Dawson were seen as twats.
Personally, I think the Welsh just have a finely developed sense of which players are pricks to lose to...
Oh, and Jonathan "space out wide, space out wide" Davies was regarded as a complete tosser for some reason
I hated Carling with a passion when he played but having seen him interviewed numerous times since it is quite devastating to see that hes actually a bloody funny and seemingly good bloke.
Thank god I'll always have Matt Dawson to hate with Brad Haddin like passion....
@mn5 Yeah. The Carling thing is annoying. I liked not liking him. Wasn't he shagging a royal at one stage?
Was a joke about her and Jonah being similar i.e. both fucking good rugby players.
I had an issue with it as I didn't really rate Carling. Gusgott had some good days.As for the Hakarena - "England have an amazing chance to be crowned world champions"....
Or not make it out of their group.
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@drivingmaul yeah I heard the commentators mention about him being talked about in joke circles a couple of years back, or something to that effect. I don't recall anything like that?
@bones He had a tendency to run sideways too much and a low work rate. But he has really worked on those two areas rather than just relying on his pace
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We have played England 24 times in England (22 at Twickenham) for 18 wins, 5 losses and 1 draw
Thier last 2 victories (2012 & 2002) have come when they have scored over 30 points and also kept us under 30.
Thier wins prior to these in 1993 & 1983 and both those scores were 15-9, while the other win was 1936, 13-0.
Biggest English margin was 2012 when they won 38-21.
Average score is 13-20, although if we remove the pre-1995 scores, the average score increases to 19-27.
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Tuesday musings:
given no one ever knows when the team is named, why cant Hansen & Co simply name the team at the same time NZT, regardless of where they are?
England is -13 NZT, what difference would there be between them naming the team at 5am NZT v 6PM NZT on a Thursday (if that was when they decided to name it) not to mention the fact the team sheet must be given to media agencies prior to this with an embargo on releasing anyway (especially if you consider the 5am NZT when it is quite often released)
Given they will know today who their 23 will be barring any training injuries, just makes no sense, no sense at all.
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Tuesday musings:
given no one ever knows when the team is named, why cant Hansen & Co simply name the team at the same time NZT, regardless of where they are?
England is -13 NZT, what difference would there be between them naming the team at 5am NZT v 6PM NZT on a Thursday (if that was when they decided to name it) not to mention the fact the team sheet must be given to media agencies prior to this with an embargo on releasing anyway (especially if you consider the 5am NZT when it is quite often released)
Given they will know today who their 23 will be barring any training injuries, just makes no sense, no sense at all.
@taniwharugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
Tuesday musings:
given no one ever knows when the team is named, why cant Hansen & Co simply name the team at the same time NZT, regardless of where they are?
England is -13 NZT, what difference would there be between them naming the team at 5am NZT v 6PM NZT on a Thursday (if that was when they decided to name it) not to mention the fact the team sheet must be given to media agencies prior to this with an embargo on releasing anyway (especially if you consider the 5am NZT when it is quite often released)
Given they will know today who their 23 will be barring any training injuries, just makes no sense, no sense at all.
At least they will be naming 23 and not 24.
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They won't be repeating 2012. They were bloody good that day, smoked us and we weren't poor.
@bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
They won't be repeating 2012. They were bloody good that day, smoked us and we weren't poor.
Basically our entire squad had Norovirus in the week leading up to the 2012 game. We were definitely well below our best.
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They won't be repeating 2012. They were bloody good that day, smoked us and we weren't poor.
@bones said in England Vs All Blacks:
They won't be repeating 2012. They were bloody good that day, smoked us and we weren't poor.
Don’t forget that a lot of the players had a dose of the Suzies leading into that game as well.
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@taniwharugby said in England Vs All Blacks:
Tuesday musings:
given no one ever knows when the team is named, why cant Hansen & Co simply name the team at the same time NZT, regardless of where they are?
England is -13 NZT, what difference would there be between them naming the team at 5am NZT v 6PM NZT on a Thursday (if that was when they decided to name it) not to mention the fact the team sheet must be given to media agencies prior to this with an embargo on releasing anyway (especially if you consider the 5am NZT when it is quite often released)
Given they will know today who their 23 will be barring any training injuries, just makes no sense, no sense at all.
At least they will be naming 23 and not 24.
@crucial maybe if they named 26?
