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Last time there was a vaccination campaign the misinformation from the pro disease crowd was something to behold. Stories about schools having to set aside rooms for kids who were having bad reactions etc , I mean what’s the big deal? You have to wonder about the mindset of someone who’d risk their kid being a quadruple amputee to prove a point
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12156021
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@donsteppa said in Woo:
@canefan That would put those fuckers in their place. No vaxx means no big pharma means life back in the 1700s
Sadly some of those morons would think that was fantastic - "natural, chemical free, organic", right up until bleak reality set in....
Can I have the honour of debunking the average lifespan myth?
We've always lived till 60 and 70. Infant mortality skews average life expectancy rates.
A popular global misconception
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@donsteppa said in Woo:
@canefan That would put those fuckers in their place. No vaxx means no big pharma means life back in the 1700s
Sadly some of those morons would think that was fantastic - "natural, chemical free, organic", right up until bleak reality set in....
Can I have the honour of debunking the average lifespan myth?
We've always lived till 60 and 70. Infant mortality skews average life expectancy rates.
A popular global misconception
In the era that cartoon is set, 30 is closer to the mark even excluding infant mortality:
Based on Early and Middle Bronze Age data, total life expectancy at 15 would be 28–36 years
Though this is quite interesting:
Based on Neolithic and Bronze Age data, the total life expectancy at 15 would not exceed 34 years.[14] Based on the data from modern hunter-gatherer populations, it is estimated that at 15, life expectancy was an additional 39 years (total 54), with a 0.60 probability of reaching 15.
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@siam Can I have the honour of debunking the infant mortality skews life expectancy rates myth?
Clearly high infant mortality does have an effect but the latest research suggests that this has been overstated.
This might have already been posted here
Life Expectancy
People are living longer across the world, but large differences remain. Explore global data on life expectancy and how it has changed over time.
Here is the relevant section
"Yes, the decline of child mortality matters a lot for the increase of life expectancy. But as this chart below shows, there is much more to it.
Child mortality is defined as the number of children dying before their 5th birthday. To see how life expectancy has improved without taking child mortality into account we therefore have to look at the prospects of a child who just survived their 5th birthday: in 1841 a 5-year old could expect to live 55 years. Today a 5-year old can expect to live 82 years. An increase of 27 years.
At higher ages mortality patterns have also changed. A 50-year old could once expect to live an additional twenty years. Today the life expectancy of a 50-year old has increased to an additional 33 years.".
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@siam The average life expectancy is over 50 if you survive past 5 is a more precise way point making your point.
Overall life expectancy at birth was <50 in much of Africa and Asia as recently as 1950. In fact even if you were to make it to 10 you could only expect to make it to 55 in China if you were born in 1950.
Given that the world was a much more challenging environment for the hunter gatherers I don't think it's far fetched to believe their life expectancy would have been less than a Chinaman born 58 years ago.
There is also the wealth factor to consider (& still is today). Any reading of history confirms that plenty of patrician Roman's lived into their 80's but the same wouldn't have been true for a prole.
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I think the major point for me was that the impression in the old days was that "old age" was late 20s to early 30s and then references are drawn from that which were simply inaccurate, but considered fact e.g..
Girls got partnered and married at 13 because they were middle aged and time was short. Actually probably just puberty and reproduction.
Nobody lived to their 70s.
Modern doctors have been known to explain that we suffer aches and pains and ailments from the age of 45 because "our bodies aren't used to living that long"We've always lived long but we've certainly made improvements to our first 2 years of life.
The next question is what's quality of life hanging on to 80 plus for the average human? I've visited a lot of old age homes and that's about the worst advertisement for tacking on an extra decade that I can think of!
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I think the major point for me was that the impression in the old days was that "old age" was late 20s to early 30s and then references are drawn from that which were simply inaccurate, but considered fact e.g..
Girls got partnered and married at 13 because they were middle aged and time was short. Actually probably just puberty and reproduction.
Nobody lived to their 70s.
Modern doctors have been known to explain that we suffer aches and pains and ailments from the age of 45 because "our bodies aren't used to living that long"We've always lived long but we've certainly made improvements to our first 2 years of life.
The next question is what's quality of life hanging on to 80 plus for the average human? I've visited a lot of old age homes and that's about the worst advertisement for tacking on an extra decade that I can think of!
I’ll visit you when you’re 80 ask you that question.
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I think the major point for me was that the impression in the old days was that "old age" was late 20s to early 30s and then references are drawn from that which were simply inaccurate, but considered fact e.g..
Girls got partnered and married at 13 because they were middle aged and time was short. Actually probably just puberty and reproduction.
Nobody lived to their 70s.
Modern doctors have been known to explain that we suffer aches and pains and ailments from the age of 45 because "our bodies aren't used to living that long"We've always lived long but we've certainly made improvements to our first 2 years of life.
The next question is what's quality of life hanging on to 80 plus for the average human? I've visited a lot of old age homes and that's about the worst advertisement for tacking on an extra decade that I can think of!
I’ll visit you when you’re 80 ask you that question.
Bring flowers bro!
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I think the major point for me was that the impression in the old days was that "old age" was late 20s to early 30s and then references are drawn from that which were simply inaccurate, but considered fact e.g..
Girls got partnered and married at 13 because they were middle aged and time was short. Actually probably just puberty and reproduction.
Nobody lived to their 70s.
Modern doctors have been known to explain that we suffer aches and pains and ailments from the age of 45 because "our bodies aren't used to living that long"We've always lived long but we've certainly made improvements to our first 2 years of life.
The next question is what's quality of life hanging on to 80 plus for the average human? I've visited a lot of old age homes and that's about the worst advertisement for tacking on an extra decade that I can think of!
I’ll visit you when you’re 80 ask you that question.
Bring flowers bro!
wow, needy much?
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@siam fark, I'd have said beer!
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@mariner4life said in Woo:
I think the major point for me was that the impression in the old days was that "old age" was late 20s to early 30s and then references are drawn from that which were simply inaccurate, but considered fact e.g..
Girls got partnered and married at 13 because they were middle aged and time was short. Actually probably just puberty and reproduction.
Nobody lived to their 70s.
Modern doctors have been known to explain that we suffer aches and pains and ailments from the age of 45 because "our bodies aren't used to living that long"We've always lived long but we've certainly made improvements to our first 2 years of life.
The next question is what's quality of life hanging on to 80 plus for the average human? I've visited a lot of old age homes and that's about the worst advertisement for tacking on an extra decade that I can think of!
I’ll visit you when you’re 80 ask you that question.
Bring flowers bro!
wow, needy much?
I was thinking he was meaning he’d be taking a dirt nap by then and the flowers were for the pot by his headstone . I’m not giving flowers to another living bloke .
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@taniwharugby said in Woo:
@siam fark, I'd have said beer!
I won’t care what you bring as long as you get off my lawn .
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So, no data suggesting a LE of under 50 odd?
Even going back to Hunter gatherers.
Apologies for my imprecise language and 10 years too much but the myth premise remains, humans have always lived longer than 50 on average
In the Wikipedia link I quoted you had to get to classical Rome to have an LE of 50 after getting past early childhood.
Life expectancy - Wikipedia
