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    https://twitter.com/sumostevenson/status/1060009222652317696

    Don't know what is worse the clickbait article from Gregor Paul or Scotty Stevenson propagating it.

    Has it ever been established which of the AB coaching staff pissed in Sumo's cornflakes?

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    @rotated yeah I skimmed over that this morning and didn't really see any "attack" on Shields, so I wasn't sure what Sumo was talking about. It seemed rather odd.

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      @rotated yeah I skimmed over that this morning and didn't really see any "attack" on Shields, so I wasn't sure what Sumo was talking about. It seemed rather odd.

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      @bones said in England vs All Blacks:

      @rotated yeah I skimmed over that this morning and didn't really see any "attack" on Shields, so I wasn't sure what Sumo was talking about. It seemed rather odd.

      I took that as an aim at the Ferald for the headline inference and twist of quotes.

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        @bones said in England vs All Blacks:

        @rotated yeah I skimmed over that this morning and didn't really see any "attack" on Shields, so I wasn't sure what Sumo was talking about. It seemed rather odd.

        I took that as an aim at the Ferald for the headline inference and twist of quotes.

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        @crucial said in England vs All Blacks:

        @bones said in England vs All Blacks:

        @rotated yeah I skimmed over that this morning and didn't really see any "attack" on Shields, so I wasn't sure what Sumo was talking about. It seemed rather odd.

        I took that as an aim at the Ferald for the headline inference and twist of quotes.

        Yeah - it was a weird article - clickbait headline, with absolutely nothing in the article backing up the inference.
        So... a clickbait article from start to finish - claiming things that the coaches have never said, but would make a "good story" if they did - ... and I assume/hope S"S"S was taking object to that.

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          Obligatory, when does the team get named?

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            Joe Moody has been ruled out of the rest of the tour with an eye injury. This is a massive loss, Tim Perry is not an adequate replacement imo. Angus Ta'avao comes into the squad.

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/108438003/all-blacks-v-england-joe-moody-suffers-another-injury-and-is-ruled-out-of-london-test

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              Joe Moody has been ruled out of the rest of the tour with an eye injury. This is a massive loss, Tim Perry is not an adequate replacement imo. Angus Ta'avao comes into the squad.

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/108438003/all-blacks-v-england-joe-moody-suffers-another-injury-and-is-ruled-out-of-london-test

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              @akan004 That sounds serious. Hope it's not long term?

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                @akan004 That sounds serious. Hope it's not long term?

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                @pakman Six weeks. Not too bad.

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                  @pakman Six weeks. Not too bad.

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                  @akan004 Thanks. Article took a while to load! That suggests Ofa covering LH. Good experience for AT!

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                    In other news, Joe Moody has changed his name by deed poll to Ryan Crotty.

                    TBH, you could argue Big Karl is the better choice at the moment.

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                      A big loss but hardly a Massive one, not like Karl T hasn’t been playing poorly.

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                        Joe Moody has been ruled out of the rest of the tour with an eye injury. This is a massive loss, Tim Perry is not an adequate replacement imo. Angus Ta'avao comes into the squad.

                        https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/108438003/all-blacks-v-england-joe-moody-suffers-another-injury-and-is-ruled-out-of-london-test

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                        @akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:

                        Joe Moody has been ruled out of the rest of the tour with an eye injury. This is a massive loss, Tim Perry is not an adequate replacement imo. Angus Ta'avao comes into the squad.

                        the article snuck in the team will be named at 5pm today

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                          Karl tends to miss a lot of tackles. Great scrummager but Moody is still the better all round prop. It's Perry that concerns me, hopefully they will opt for Ofa as the bench loosehead cover instead.

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                            Karl tends to miss a lot of tackles. Great scrummager but Moody is still the better all round prop. It's Perry that concerns me, hopefully they will opt for Ofa as the bench loosehead cover instead.

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                            @akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:

                            Karl tends to miss a lot of tackles. Great scrummager but Moody is still the better all round prop. It's Perry that concerns me, hopefully they will opt for Ofa as the bench loosehead cover instead.

                            I thought TP was on way back to NZ?

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                              @akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:

                              Karl tends to miss a lot of tackles. Great scrummager but Moody is still the better all round prop. It's Perry that concerns me, hopefully they will opt for Ofa as the bench loosehead cover instead.

                              I thought TP was on way back to NZ?

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                              @pakman said in England vs All Blacks:

                              @akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:

                              Karl tends to miss a lot of tackles. Great scrummager but Moody is still the better all round prop. It's Perry that concerns me, hopefully they will opt for Ofa as the bench loosehead cover instead.

                              I thought TP was on way back to NZ?

                              You're right. My bad. He was part of the additional 19 that joined the squad in Japan.

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                                Karl tends to miss a lot of tackles. Great scrummager but Moody is still the better all round prop. It's Perry that concerns me, hopefully they will opt for Ofa as the bench loosehead cover instead.

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                                @akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:

                                Karl tends to miss a lot of tackles. Great scrummager but Moody is still the better all round prop. It's Perry that concerns me, hopefully they will opt for Ofa as the bench loosehead cover instead.

                                Joe also has a habit of getting penalised at very inopportune moments. I don't think it will matter much.

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                                  @akan004 Thanks. Article took a while to load! That suggests Ofa covering LH. Good experience for AT!

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                                  @pakman said in England vs All Blacks:

                                  That suggests Ofa covering LH.

                                  It does clarify the pecking order of the props and is a vote of confidence for Ofa at LH.

                                  But, bringing big Karl off the bench was a big weapon that we no longer have.

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                                    So if Big Karl gets injured in the Captain's run, Ofa is the starting loosehead with Ta'avao as the bench loosehead prop?

                                    I guess Angus is yet another who plays both sides?

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                                      dont think it's been mentioned?

                                      But anyone read the pile of steaming poo that Gregor Paul wrote about Shields?

                                      he has made some pretty bold statements that the AB coaches 'cant stand' Brad Shields - if I put my own spin on it, my view would be they dont like the fact he can up sticks and play in another country so easily, but as it's all done within the rules by the governing body, whats the issue?

                                      There are no direct quotes or actual evidence in the article, but seems he's just written and article based on what he thinks they think?

                                      We benefitted in the past when the rules were less stringent (Michael Jones, Frank Bunce to name a couple)

                                      Going back a number of years I used to like his articles, but in recent times he seems to be moving toward the click bait type reads that @MN5 's Dad and Uncle write!

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                                        dont think it's been mentioned?

                                        But anyone read the pile of steaming poo that Gregor Paul wrote about Shields?

                                        he has made some pretty bold statements that the AB coaches 'cant stand' Brad Shields - if I put my own spin on it, my view would be they dont like the fact he can up sticks and play in another country so easily, but as it's all done within the rules by the governing body, whats the issue?

                                        There are no direct quotes or actual evidence in the article, but seems he's just written and article based on what he thinks they think?

                                        We benefitted in the past when the rules were less stringent (Michael Jones, Frank Bunce to name a couple)

                                        Going back a number of years I used to like his articles, but in recent times he seems to be moving toward the click bait type reads that @MN5 's Dad and Uncle write!

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                                        @taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:

                                        dont think it's been mentioned?

                                        But anyone read the pile of steaming poo that Gregor Paul wrote about Shields?

                                        he has made some pretty bold statements that the AB coaches 'cant stand' Brad Shields - if I put my own spin on it, my view would be they dont like the fact he can up sticks and play in another country so easily, but as it's all done within the rules by the governing body, whats the issue?

                                        There are no direct quotes or actual evidence in the article, but seems he's just written and article based on what he thinks they think?

                                        We benefitted in the past when the rules were less stringent (Michael Jones, Frank Bunce to name a couple)

                                        Going back a number of years I used to like his articles, but in recent times he seems to be moving toward the click bait type reads that @MN5 's Dad and Uncle write!

                                        To use an analogy someone used when trying to pick between Trump and Clinton: Trying to pick a decent NZ Rugby journo is like trying to choose the cleanest end of a piece of dog shit to pick up. They are all terrible, admittedly in some cases for completely different reasons than eachother.

                                        Contrast that with some really good British ones, ex players John Beattie, Will Greenwood and Gordon D'arcy all write good insightful and entertaining articles.

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                                        • taniwharugbyT taniwharugby

                                          dont think it's been mentioned?

                                          But anyone read the pile of steaming poo that Gregor Paul wrote about Shields?

                                          he has made some pretty bold statements that the AB coaches 'cant stand' Brad Shields - if I put my own spin on it, my view would be they dont like the fact he can up sticks and play in another country so easily, but as it's all done within the rules by the governing body, whats the issue?

                                          There are no direct quotes or actual evidence in the article, but seems he's just written and article based on what he thinks they think?

                                          We benefitted in the past when the rules were less stringent (Michael Jones, Frank Bunce to name a couple)

                                          Going back a number of years I used to like his articles, but in recent times he seems to be moving toward the click bait type reads that @MN5 's Dad and Uncle write!

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                                          @taniwharugby Yep, @rotated posted a tweet from Sumo Stevenson with a link to that article. I can't be bothered to read that rubbish and give the NZH my click.

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