England vs All Blacks
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Interesting Shag saying , we want to play two playmakers ,
Could be a sign from here on in , Beaudy , Dmac and Richie will be all in the 23 ,
With 2 being on the field at one time , gives us more flexibility where we attack from , and takes the heat off Beauden to create everything
@kiwiinmelb said in England vs All Blacks:
Interesting Shag saying , we want to play two playmakers ,
The argument he makes seems to make more sense with Beaudy at fullback and Richie and first-five. Having two points of attack to take the defence's focus off one is a great idea in theory, but if the English defence start forcing Barrett to make errors I expect McKenzie to as well. When the poor option taking happens it seems to be contagious with those two.
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@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
The English coaches are encouraging Itoje to get in the faces of the ABs and be confrontational (i.e., continue to be a penalty magnet). Should be fun as long as Garces hasn't made another deal.
Source?
https://rugby365.com/countries/england/england-star-to-push-boundaries-of-the-law-against-all-blacks
“We have lots of players doing it – Kyle Sinckler as well – but we see Maro being able to do that because of his stature and because that’s the way he likes to play the game.
“He likes to be confrontational. He likes to get on the front foot and if it’s a strength, we will encourage him to keep pushing at it.
“If you ask people to play that way, there are sometimes going to be penalties around that.”
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Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's <3.
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I like that Eng midfield
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/analysis-where-the-all-blacks-will-target-england-part-i
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@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
The English coaches are encouraging Itoje to get in the faces of the ABs and be confrontational (i.e., continue to be a penalty magnet). Should be fun as long as Garces hasn't made another deal.
Source?
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@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
@catogrande said in England vs All Blacks:
Source?
Or the Guardian
Or replays of whenever he plays against AB's
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Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's <3.
@rotated said in England vs All Blacks:
Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's 3.
100% agree
I'm really not enamored with SBW these days. I'd be surprised if Goodhue and anyone outside him gets any decent ball other than through the "omg never expected that" 1 handed offload in contact. And I'd much prefer ALB on the bench to Crotty.
But its McKenzie I'm most worried about / interested to see. I hope he either has an absolute blinder and proves me wrong in my view that he's just not up to international football at 10 or 15, OR that he has a complete disaster and we dont see him in the 23 again for big games.
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'king hell. I'm at Twickenham on Saturday on a corporate invite and have just had an email asking which white wine I'd prefer....
Beyond surreal.
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@sparky said in England vs All Blacks:
@catogrande said in England vs All Blacks:
England team to play the All Blacks:-
England: Elliot Daly; Chris Ashton, Henry Slade, Ben Te'o, Jonny May; Owen Farrell (co-captain), Ben Youngs; Ben Moon, Dylan Hartley (co-captain), Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje, George Kruis, Brad Shields, Sam Underhill, Mark Wilson.
Replacements: Jamie George, Alec Hepburn, Harry Williams, Charlie Ewels, Courtney Lawes, Danny Care, George Ford, Jack Nowell.
I think beer will be my friend on Saturday.
Strong team that will suit England's game plan and purposes well. The return of Chris Ashton and Brad Shields inside knowledge of NZ Rugby will give them a lift. Clever Eddie Jones.
The All Blacks are very strong and will be tough to beat.
Thanks for that startling insight Brad.
@mn5 said in England vs All Blacks:
@sparky said in England vs All Blacks:
@catogrande said in England vs All Blacks:
England team to play the All Blacks:-
England: Elliot Daly; Chris Ashton, Henry Slade, Ben Te'o, Jonny May; Owen Farrell (co-captain), Ben Youngs; Ben Moon, Dylan Hartley (co-captain), Kyle Sinckler, Maro Itoje, George Kruis, Brad Shields, Sam Underhill, Mark Wilson.
Replacements: Jamie George, Alec Hepburn, Harry Williams, Charlie Ewels, Courtney Lawes, Danny Care, George Ford, Jack Nowell.
I think beer will be my friend on Saturday.
Strong team that will suit England's game plan and purposes well. The return of Chris Ashton and Brad Shields inside knowledge of NZ Rugby will give them a lift. Clever Eddie Jones.
The All Blacks are very strong and will be tough to beat.
Thanks for that startling insight Brad.
My mate Ardie hates it when people say "hey, you aren't as tall as I thought in real life" - Maro, you start with that one.....
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'king hell. I'm at Twickenham on Saturday on a corporate invite and have just had an email asking which white wine I'd prefer....
Beyond surreal.
@victor-meldrew said in England vs All Blacks:
'king hell. I'm at Twickenham on Saturday on a corporate invite and have just had an email asking which white wine I'd prefer....
Beyond surreal.
Did you say 'Waikato'?
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Opps! Brad Shields was interviewed for a BBC Radio show with Matt Dawson and talked about England wanting to play well at Twickenham because it was "their fortress"
Try to remember which team you playing for this Saturday, Brad. You don't want to any thing stupid like throw an intercept straight to Beauden Barrett.
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'king hell. I'm at Twickenham on Saturday on a corporate invite and have just had an email asking which white wine I'd prefer....
Beyond surreal.
@victor-meldrew said in England vs All Blacks:
'king hell. I'm at Twickenham on Saturday on a corporate invite and have just had an email asking which white wine I'd prefer....
Beyond surreal.
Yeah, burgundy/pinot noir FFS
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'king hell. I'm at Twickenham on Saturday on a corporate invite and have just had an email asking which white wine I'd prefer....
Beyond surreal.
@victor-meldrew said in England vs All Blacks:
'king hell. I'm at Twickenham on Saturday on a corporate invite and have just had an email asking which white wine I'd prefer....
Beyond surreal.
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So Paddy Power have Head to Head odds at 1/7 for ABs and 9/2 for England
TAB have ABs at $1.14 and England at $5.35Which I think means they both have ABs as pretty much same odds while PP have lower odds for England?
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@rotated said in England vs All Blacks:
Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's 3.
100% agree
I'm really not enamored with SBW these days. I'd be surprised if Goodhue and anyone outside him gets any decent ball other than through the "omg never expected that" 1 handed offload in contact. And I'd much prefer ALB on the bench to Crotty.
But its McKenzie I'm most worried about / interested to see. I hope he either has an absolute blinder and proves me wrong in my view that he's just not up to international football at 10 or 15, OR that he has a complete disaster and we dont see him in the 23 again for big games.
@voodoo said in England vs All Blacks:
@rotated said in England vs All Blacks:
Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's 3.
100% agree
I'm really not enamored with SBW these days. I'd be surprised if Goodhue and anyone outside him gets any decent ball other than through the "omg never expected that" 1 handed offload in contact. And I'd much prefer ALB on the bench to Crotty.
But its McKenzie I'm most worried about / interested to see. I hope he either has an absolute blinder and proves me wrong in my view that he's just not up to international football at 10 or 15, OR that he has a complete disaster and we dont see him in the 23 again for big games.
I’m really looking forward to seeing McKenzie run across field. Will it be once, twice or perhaps three times
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@voodoo said in England vs All Blacks:
@rotated said in England vs All Blacks:
Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's 3.
100% agree
I'm really not enamored with SBW these days. I'd be surprised if Goodhue and anyone outside him gets any decent ball other than through the "omg never expected that" 1 handed offload in contact. And I'd much prefer ALB on the bench to Crotty.
But its McKenzie I'm most worried about / interested to see. I hope he either has an absolute blinder and proves me wrong in my view that he's just not up to international football at 10 or 15, OR that he has a complete disaster and we dont see him in the 23 again for big games.
I’m really looking forward to seeing McKenzie run across field. Will it be once, twice or perhaps three times
@act-crusader said in England vs All Blacks:
@voodoo said in England vs All Blacks:
@rotated said in England vs All Blacks:
Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's 3.
100% agree
I'm really not enamored with SBW these days. I'd be surprised if Goodhue and anyone outside him gets any decent ball other than through the "omg never expected that" 1 handed offload in contact. And I'd much prefer ALB on the bench to Crotty.
But its McKenzie I'm most worried about / interested to see. I hope he either has an absolute blinder and proves me wrong in my view that he's just not up to international football at 10 or 15, OR that he has a complete disaster and we dont see him in the 23 again for big games.
I’m really looking forward to seeing McKenzie run across field. Will it be once, twice or perhaps three times
Ben Blair must look back in shock and awe that the ABs have picked a fullback even smaller than him !
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@act-crusader said in England vs All Blacks:
@voodoo said in England vs All Blacks:
@rotated said in England vs All Blacks:
Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's 3.
100% agree
I'm really not enamored with SBW these days. I'd be surprised if Goodhue and anyone outside him gets any decent ball other than through the "omg never expected that" 1 handed offload in contact. And I'd much prefer ALB on the bench to Crotty.
But its McKenzie I'm most worried about / interested to see. I hope he either has an absolute blinder and proves me wrong in my view that he's just not up to international football at 10 or 15, OR that he has a complete disaster and we dont see him in the 23 again for big games.
I’m really looking forward to seeing McKenzie run across field. Will it be once, twice or perhaps three times
Ben Blair must look back in shock and awe that the ABs have picked a fullback even smaller than him !
@mn5 said in England vs All Blacks:
@act-crusader said in England vs All Blacks:
@voodoo said in England vs All Blacks:
@rotated said in England vs All Blacks:
Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's 3.
100% agree
I'm really not enamored with SBW these days. I'd be surprised if Goodhue and anyone outside him gets any decent ball other than through the "omg never expected that" 1 handed offload in contact. And I'd much prefer ALB on the bench to Crotty.
But its McKenzie I'm most worried about / interested to see. I hope he either has an absolute blinder and proves me wrong in my view that he's just not up to international football at 10 or 15, OR that he has a complete disaster and we dont see him in the 23 again for big games.
I’m really looking forward to seeing McKenzie run across field. Will it be once, twice or perhaps three times
Ben Blair must look back in shock and awe that the ABs have picked a fullback even smaller than him !
Damn, DMac is the reverse Ardie, he gets smaller and smaller each game.
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@mn5 said in England vs All Blacks:
@act-crusader said in England vs All Blacks:
@voodoo said in England vs All Blacks:
@rotated said in England vs All Blacks:
Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's 3.
100% agree
I'm really not enamored with SBW these days. I'd be surprised if Goodhue and anyone outside him gets any decent ball other than through the "omg never expected that" 1 handed offload in contact. And I'd much prefer ALB on the bench to Crotty.
But its McKenzie I'm most worried about / interested to see. I hope he either has an absolute blinder and proves me wrong in my view that he's just not up to international football at 10 or 15, OR that he has a complete disaster and we dont see him in the 23 again for big games.
I’m really looking forward to seeing McKenzie run across field. Will it be once, twice or perhaps three times
Ben Blair must look back in shock and awe that the ABs have picked a fullback even smaller than him !
Damn, DMac is the reverse Ardie, he gets smaller and smaller each game.
@nepia said in England vs All Blacks:
@mn5 said in England vs All Blacks:
@act-crusader said in England vs All Blacks:
@voodoo said in England vs All Blacks:
@rotated said in England vs All Blacks:
Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's 3.
100% agree
I'm really not enamored with SBW these days. I'd be surprised if Goodhue and anyone outside him gets any decent ball other than through the "omg never expected that" 1 handed offload in contact. And I'd much prefer ALB on the bench to Crotty.
But its McKenzie I'm most worried about / interested to see. I hope he either has an absolute blinder and proves me wrong in my view that he's just not up to international football at 10 or 15, OR that he has a complete disaster and we dont see him in the 23 again for big games.
I’m really looking forward to seeing McKenzie run across field. Will it be once, twice or perhaps three times
Ben Blair must look back in shock and awe that the ABs have picked a fullback even smaller than him !
Damn, DMac is the reverse Ardie, he gets smaller and smaller each game.
Relatively massive swede on him too, old mate @Bones called him bobblehead if I recall correctly
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@nepia said in England vs All Blacks:
@mn5 said in England vs All Blacks:
@act-crusader said in England vs All Blacks:
@voodoo said in England vs All Blacks:
@rotated said in England vs All Blacks:
Call me a doomsdayer but that backline feels very much like a '99/'00 backline. Looks like a Rolls Royce on paper and certainly has the ability to click - but that is far from a guarantee especially when it matters.
The least charitable description of the backline currently is three guys who are liable to freelance and compound mistakes under pressure, a halfback who has been spinning his wheels all international season, a guy dubiously coming back from glandular fever in a matter of weeks and two world class wings.
This isn't to say Barrett isn't a top player, SBW can still have his moments and Smith for most of his career has been sublime - but like the 99/00 teams they could turn it on (especially off set piece and counter attack) but could be frustratingly impotent at times when it mattered.
Prediction: they either flog them 20+ or it's 3.
100% agree
I'm really not enamored with SBW these days. I'd be surprised if Goodhue and anyone outside him gets any decent ball other than through the "omg never expected that" 1 handed offload in contact. And I'd much prefer ALB on the bench to Crotty.
But its McKenzie I'm most worried about / interested to see. I hope he either has an absolute blinder and proves me wrong in my view that he's just not up to international football at 10 or 15, OR that he has a complete disaster and we dont see him in the 23 again for big games.
I’m really looking forward to seeing McKenzie run across field. Will it be once, twice or perhaps three times
Ben Blair must look back in shock and awe that the ABs have picked a fullback even smaller than him !
Damn, DMac is the reverse Ardie, he gets smaller and smaller each game.
Relatively massive swede on him too, old mate @Bones called him bobblehead if I recall correctly
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ABs by a canter, 16-21
