England vs All Blacks

[Disgusted of TW]

@sparky said in England vs All Blacks:

According to ESPN, Owen Farrell missed ten tackles for England.

Poor return on attempted tackles for Farrell, but where's the arm in it?

I'll get my coat

[Disgusted of TW]

Although Farrell did put one great Wilkinsonesque tackle in on Read, so not all bad

[Machpants]

@disgusted-of-tw said in England vs All Blacks:

@sparky said in England vs All Blacks:

According to ESPN, Owen Farrell missed ten tackles for England.

Poor return on attempted tackles for Farrell, but where's the arm in it?

I'll get my coat

Eddie will be complaining that the refs aren't protecting poor old owie from having to make so many tackles

[sparky]

Big positive for England was the performance of Sam Underhill. If fit, he's your Openside for 2019.

[KiwiMurph]

@sparky certainly in the wet. What's he like on a dry fast track?

[taniwharugby]

Thought that was a pretty good game.

England played well, we played well at thier game too.

Garces was pretty good, pleasing to see he has learnt rules from last year, and Marshy still doesn't know the rules, or at least how they have been interpreted for a while now.

[pakman]

@booboo said in England vs All Blacks:

Crossed the line of touch? Right in front of me. Don't know WTF the touchie was looking at?

[taniwharugby]

@stargazer well that was certainly a different style of play, more England like, and was a good article by Nick Evans a week or so back explaining the things he noticed we were trying which were a bit different to our norm as well.

So our non-kicking 10 did ok to pull us through there huh.

I liked the fact we beat them like that, playing a game more in thier style and was very amusing how they chose to turn down 3 points twice...imagine the ribbing they'd be giving us if we had turned down 3 twice and lost by 1 point??

[Machpants]

If only England hand a good accurate kicker that could get 100% in a match

[Billy Tell]

It’s annoying how the close calls always go against us when Garces is reffing.

Also, maybe Stephen Jones is right and Brodie is overhyped.

My thoughts after watching the match.

[Milk]

@jc said in England vs All Blacks:

@booboo said in England vs All Blacks:

@rembrandt said in England vs All Blacks:

we'll take that! Quite a few options for mom
Retallick, Big Karl, Crotty, Goodhue, DMac, S Barrett, thought Beaudy was very solid too

Ardie by a mile

We’re not talking about height

6'4" according to the England pre match graphics.

[Chester Draws]

How many penalties did the ABs give?

A couple on the line when we were desperate, but almost no mid-field soft stuff. That's game winning in the rain.

Thought Garces was excellent.

We made it hard by dropping ball with the line in sight a couple of times, and Beauden consistently hitting it too hard early, so giving them 22s.

As pointed out, the backs entering a maul before the lineout has moved off the line is illegal. That's why the tactic isn't used very much.

[sparky]

@chester-draws Four and two of those were deep in attack.

[taniwharugby]

there was that one scrum late in the game, it was in action while the aerial camera was in action you could clearly see the English LH boring in, next minute we get pinged for wheeling.

Obviously easy for us to see like that, but shows how much of a lottery alot of scrum penalties are.

[Paj]

Thought BB kicking was off in first 10-20mins due to trying to push ball a little more than useual because of wet conditions. Glad Crotty coming on and possibly getting call to keep ball in hand.
If England secured more lineout ball it may have been a different result.

[Kirwan]

I’ll take that. Terrible conditions that suited England’s style of game.

Then we dominated their line out and scrum! Amazing comeback from 15-0 down.

Brodie was immense in the line out, had England panicking there. When was the last time you saw a baulk called?

And how good was Ofa at loosehead? Done his WC squad chances to harm there.

Was expecting the TMO to bottle the offside call, glad the right call was made there. Offside all day.

Proper Test match and the good guys won.

[Crucial]

A question to any that think Lawes was onside.

Are the rest of the England side stupid? Because they all stood in the same line and Lawes had both feet well in front of where they had worked out the offside line to be.

[JC]

@crucial said in England vs All Blacks:

A question to any that think Lawes was onside.

Are the rest of the England side stupid? Because they all stood in the same line and Lawes had both feet well in front of where they had worked out the offside line to be.

Yeah, pretty clear IMO. Your graphics are awesome BTW. Do you do it for a living?

[taniwharugby]

@crucial if they had called the guy 2nd form the top as offside, while techinically correct, I think they could feel hard done by, but not Lawes.

[Tordah]

I think it's well past time the lawbooks are updated regarding what constitutes a ruck and offside rules at it. It's obviously not ruled the way it's written

A ruck is formed when at least one player from each team are in contact, on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground.

No, that's not how it's ruled, one player over the ball and an opposition player (often the tackler) lying on the ground is usually ruled a ruck.

At a ruck or maul, the offside line runs through the hindmost foot of the player of the same team

Once again, not how it is refereed. Ruck offside lines are usually deemed to be at either end of the ruck, no matter the body part or team.
Additionally, sometimes players, who are bound in to the ruck, ofte detach and pick up the ball, even though they are not behind the offside line, as they are in front of the hindmost part of the ruck when picking up the ball. This is especially egregious, when there's another player behind the player picking up the ball. This often results in easy metres as the defence is unaware of a player in the middle of the ruck suddenly being part of play again - should be ruled illegal by referees, almost never is.

In short: rucks are a mess and the most difficult thing to referee, but the laws are far behind of what is being played, it's a bit annoying