England vs All Blacks
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Pissing down all match, England st home, down 15 nil, 16 unanswered points.
An offside decision that's close but as the pictures show, offside.
I'll take that win. Quite happily
No doubt the English scribes protesting the " inch offside" apply the same rationale for a jumping prop and deal of the century deciding the Lions series.
Swings and roundabouts
Smith passes to Savea properly and we had them fucked.
A decent win for sure, thanks ,Brodie
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@majorrage if it was us on the end of that, I'd be more pissed with the TMO injecting himself into the game, one part I dont agree with, not the off side call.
I thought they amended things so TMO could only rule on foul play without ref asking otherwise he is only allowed to call when asked by the ref, or was that just TRC?
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@taniwharugby This was a TMO referral by the ref to check whether the possible try scorer was onside or not.
@stargazer ah ok, I thought he had awarded it and then the TMO injected himself...I wasnt listening closely enough.
edit - just rewatched it, sounded like you hear Garces say 'you want me to check it?'
TBF you cant see Garces for a about 10 sec after and alot of crowd noise too, so could be either I guess.
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@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
so have to assume Ngani returned to NZ some time this week, be a big ask for him to turn around and get on another plane today/tomorrow?
He’ll have a week to recover. Maybe they could have Reiko cover next week if one of the three remaining midfielders go down. Ben Smith covers there too.
Then have Ngani cover for Italy?
@kirwan said in England vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
so have to assume Ngani returned to NZ some time this week, be a big ask for him to turn around and get on another plane today/tomorrow?
He’ll have a week to recover. Maybe they could have Reiko cover next week if one of the three remaining midfielders go down. Ben Smith covers there too.
Then have Ngani cover for Italy?
Maori Jesus?
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@rocky-rockbottom said in England vs All Blacks:
woah, judging by highlights glad I missed that one. 1st half wouldve sent me spacco. 2n half didnt sound much better
despite seeing bugger-all of the game if Hansen says SBW "just needs more game time to get up to speed" ONE more fucking time I am going grassy knoll. Like the All Black test match midfield is SBW's personal little Les Mills fucken get-fit exercise circuit.
If it wasn't beyond a joke before it is now. Based on that benchmark Julian Savea should still have the number 11 jersey while he regains confidence and speed.
Of course anyone who mentions this kind of logic on Stuff.co.nz gets shot down as one of SBWs "haterz", luckily the fern is a bit more high brow.
SBW got a 2 out of 10 from the Herald. Not even Zac Guildford scored that low.
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My take, England unlucky , not because it was incorrect but because that stuff doesn’t always get pulled up ,
But a similar type situation awarded the lions a draw against the Allblacks last year in the third test ,
And they celebrated like they had won the World Cup ,
Can’t have it both ways .
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@majorrage if it was us on the end of that, I'd be more pissed with the TMO injecting himself into the game, one part I dont agree with, not the off side call.
I thought they amended things so TMO could only rule on foul play without ref asking otherwise he is only allowed to call when asked by the ref, or was that just TRC?
@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
@majorrage if it was us on the end of that, I'd be more pissed with the TMO injecting himself into the game, one part I dont agree with, not the off side call.
I thought they amended things so TMO could only rule on foul play without ref asking otherwise he is only allowed to call when asked by the ref, or was that just TRC?
Thought ref asked for TMO?
Could be wrong though
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My take, England unlucky , not because it was incorrect but because that stuff doesn’t always get pulled up ,
But a similar type situation awarded the lions a draw against the Allblacks last year in the third test ,
And they celebrated like they had won the World Cup ,
Can’t have it both ways .
@kiwiinmelb said in England vs All Blacks:
My take, England unlucky , not because it was incorrect but because that stuff doesn’t always get pulled up ,
But a similar type situation awarded the lions a draw against the Allblacks last year in the third test ,
And they celebrated like they had won the World Cup ,
Can’t have it both ways .
In fact, the publicity over the Farrell non penalty last week may have swayed Garces to not want to be seen giving a home town decision for a second week in a row.
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@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
@majorrage if it was us on the end of that, I'd be more pissed with the TMO injecting himself into the game, one part I dont agree with, not the off side call.
I thought they amended things so TMO could only rule on foul play without ref asking otherwise he is only allowed to call when asked by the ref, or was that just TRC?
Thought ref asked for TMO?
Could be wrong though
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@booboo as I said, just rewatched it, sounded like Garces says 'you want me to check it' but given he is off camera and the crowd noise, he may well have initiated it...but he did just award it normally, didnt signal TMO straight off.
@taniwharugby said in England vs All Blacks:
@booboo as I said, just rewatched it, sounded like Garces says 'you want me to check it' but given he is off camera and the crowd noise, he may well have initiated it...but he did just award it normally, didnt signal TMO straight off.
Ok.
Also wonder if he was asking yhe AR if he was asking for a check?
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The Pom rolling maul.
Is there a law issue about players joining and the ball not being transferred to the back?
Just seemed strange that the ball was being held in the middle.
I doubt there's a way to enforce but I thought there was a law about the ball being in the back.
Probably not though... it's all too complicated ( for me)
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Back from my corporate jolly to game...some thoughts having not seen any replays or TV. Long-ish post. (Skip to he last 2 paras for the incisive bit)
Twickenham a pain to get to...and into. Ticket entry barriers weren't working, RFU needs to get its act together - pretty crap really. The crowd was far more respectful to the opposition and the kickers. First time I'd been to Twickenham for a test in about 10 years, so credit to the RFU. Atmosphere was great.
Pom tactics and decision making were excellent in the first 30 minutes - crap after that. Thought Farrell had a poor game - zero variation in his game. Underhill was astonishingly good for England and was my MoM.
AB backline was poor until Crotty came on and he seemed to give a lot of solidity. Thought SBW was poor and you wonder how long he'll be in the team. England targeted DMac with the high ball but he did OK and as well as anyone else - he certainly doesn't lack guts, thats for sure. On attack he was probably the most dangerous AB back. Thought our kicking game (inc. DMac) was shite. We looked way more dangerous when keeping the ball in hand.
Retallick & Savea were immense. BBBR utterly owned the Pom lineout, ruck, maul and, well, the whole pitch. Ardie seemed to be everywhere.
Ben Kay and Ugo Monye hosted a post match analysis for the corporate clients which was excellent. No argument that Lawes was offside from them. We then had a Q&A with Itoje and Danny Care.
Itoje & Care seemed good blokes but I was surprised by the complacency in their attitude. They thought that as they had only lost by 1 point they had scored a famous victory. Astonishing attitude in many ways. Hope I never hear an AB talk like that.
All in all, a mistake-strewn game. But we dogged a win - which I sense Hansen will be happy with
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Lawes started iffside let alone moved early. Correct decision.
England will be devo, they threw everything at that
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Lawes started iffside let alone moved early. Correct decision.
England will be devo, they threw everything at that
@mariner4life said in England vs All Blacks:
Lawes started iffside let alone moved early. Correct decision.
England will be devo, they threw everything at that
And the weather dragged us down to their level. They won’t get a better opportunity to beat us.
Losing a 15-0 lead in those conditions was huge.
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How many shit games does SBW get before he's fucked off? If he was a racehorse he'd be shot
A Smith was pretty poor. Our kicking game wasn't up to scratch while England's was great.
Happy with pretty much everyone else though. Damn slippery ball.
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How many shit games does SBW get before he's fucked off? If he was a racehorse he'd be shot
A Smith was pretty poor. Our kicking game wasn't up to scratch while England's was great.
Happy with pretty much everyone else though. Damn slippery ball.
@mariner4life said in England vs All Blacks:
How many shit games does SBW get before he's fucked off? If he was a racehorse he'd be shot
A Smith was pretty poor. Our kicking game wasn't up to scratch while England's was great.
Happy with pretty much everyone else though. Damn slippery ball.
Some of your best work. Outstanding even. And all so true.
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Back from my corporate jolly to game...some thoughts having not seen any replays or TV. Long-ish post. (Skip to he last 2 paras for the incisive bit)
Twickenham a pain to get to...and into. Ticket entry barriers weren't working, RFU needs to get its act together - pretty crap really. The crowd was far more respectful to the opposition and the kickers. First time I'd been to Twickenham for a test in about 10 years, so credit to the RFU. Atmosphere was great.
Pom tactics and decision making were excellent in the first 30 minutes - crap after that. Thought Farrell had a poor game - zero variation in his game. Underhill was astonishingly good for England and was my MoM.
AB backline was poor until Crotty came on and he seemed to give a lot of solidity. Thought SBW was poor and you wonder how long he'll be in the team. England targeted DMac with the high ball but he did OK and as well as anyone else - he certainly doesn't lack guts, thats for sure. On attack he was probably the most dangerous AB back. Thought our kicking game (inc. DMac) was shite. We looked way more dangerous when keeping the ball in hand.
Retallick & Savea were immense. BBBR utterly owned the Pom lineout, ruck, maul and, well, the whole pitch. Ardie seemed to be everywhere.
Ben Kay and Ugo Monye hosted a post match analysis for the corporate clients which was excellent. No argument that Lawes was offside from them. We then had a Q&A with Itoje and Danny Care.
Itoje & Care seemed good blokes but I was surprised by the complacency in their attitude. They thought that as they had only lost by 1 point they had scored a famous victory. Astonishing attitude in many ways. Hope I never hear an AB talk like that.
All in all, a mistake-strewn game. But we dogged a win - which I sense Hansen will be happy with
@victor-meldrew Yeah, Underhill was unbelievable and my MOTM as well. Have not really seen too much of him before but he looks to be a really special player. Certainly a lot better than Curry who didn't impress last week. It's about time England had a decent openside and it looks like they have unearthed a gem.
