England vs All Blacks
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On my re-watch the ABs weren't as bad as I first felt. No stress means less cursing. A Smith is well off form, both 9's need to stop box kicking until they can both get it away quick and land it in a good place. I'm sure there is a reason why the ABs continually kick to the player to allow them to counter attack, but I don't get it. But they do it so often there MUST be a reason, I would prefer the way Eng did it, box kick to turn around back three (not to compete) and long kick for the sideline. England were firing first 30 or so, but not much after that. Stats agree that ABs were all good, but we couldn't finish (again A Smith), like against the boks. McKenzie is great on attack but a bloody liability in a tight match, an unacceptable 5 TC of an even more unacceptable 20 by ABs. Start Mo'unga 10 or 15, either way, and DMAc for tired defences later thank you.
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On my re-watch the ABs weren't as bad as I first felt. No stress means less cursing. A Smith is well off form, both 9's need to stop box kicking until they can both get it away quick and land it in a good place. I'm sure there is a reason why the ABs continually kick to the player to allow them to counter attack, but I don't get it. But they do it so often there MUST be a reason, I would prefer the way Eng did it, box kick to turn around back three (not to compete) and long kick for the sideline. England were firing first 30 or so, but not much after that. Stats agree that ABs were all good, but we couldn't finish (again A Smith), like against the boks. McKenzie is great on attack but a bloody liability in a tight match, an unacceptable 5 TC of an even more unacceptable 20 by ABs. Start Mo'unga 10 or 15, either way, and DMAc for tired defences later thank you.
@machpants agree. I woke up and watched 2nd half first then first half after. If you didn't see score NZ was dominant and England offered little.
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@machpants agree. I woke up and watched 2nd half first then first half after. If you didn't see score NZ was dominant and England offered little.
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@98blueandgold Yeah I woke up at 430, and watched from 15-0 down with SBW just going off! Great place to start
@machpants I did the same, we must have been good luck.
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If Beauden had made the tackle Underhill then the offside would not have been checked and England would have had possession right on our line.
@no-quarter said in England vs All Blacks:
If Beauden had made the tackle Underhill then the offside would not have been checked and England would have had possession right on our line.
He's a bloody legend. Reads the game better than anyone.
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Out of curiosity I was interested to know when England last out-scored NZ in tries in a test at Twickenham. You might have thought it was in the 38-21 loss in 2012 but it wasn't (3 tries each). You have to go back to the 26-26 draw in 1997 (3 vs 2).
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Out of curiosity I was interested to know when England last out-scored NZ in tries in a test at Twickenham. You might have thought it was in the 38-21 loss in 2012 but it wasn't (3 tries each). You have to go back to the 26-26 draw in 1997 (3 vs 2).
@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
Out of curiosity I was interested to know when England last out-scored NZ in tries in a test at Twickenham. You might have thought it was in the 38-21 loss in 2012 but it wasn't (3 tries each). You have to go back to the 26-26 draw in 1997 (3 vs 2).
When was the last time NZ outscored England in drop goals?
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@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
Out of curiosity I was interested to know when England last out-scored NZ in tries in a test at Twickenham. You might have thought it was in the 38-21 loss in 2012 but it wasn't (3 tries each). You have to go back to the 26-26 draw in 1997 (3 vs 2).
When was the last time NZ outscored England in drop goals?
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England robbed.
Shit decison. Reverse it and This forum tops porn hub for bandwidth.
Hollow victory for me, Twickenham felt confused
@majorrage said in England vs All Blacks:
England robbed.
Shit decison. Reverse it and This forum tops porn hub for bandwidth.
Hollow victory for me, Twickenham felt confused
What a load of bullshit. I think you've out marshalled Justin Marshall there. Pretty sad for you.
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Have only just watched the game, a few thoughts.
England were clinical as hell for 25 minutes but were never really overly threatening, which sounds weird considering they were deservedly up by 15 points.
Our tactics of nudging into the corners were spot on for the conditions, though the execution most of the first half was bloody poor.
BBBR was outstanding, what a beast.
Ardie good yet again.
A Smith better than he has been recently.
It’s time to invest in youth at 12, we really need someone there who isn’t going to break every 5 minutes. We’ve got 2 blokes job sharing doing a combined 75% of what ALB or Laumape could do on their own.
DMac possibly his best game in black, did a great job tidying up at the back.The offside/no try call was 100% correct, it was clear as day that he was a body width offside.
Great test match.
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@majorrage said in England vs All Blacks:
England robbed.
Shit decison. Reverse it and This forum tops porn hub for bandwidth.
Hollow victory for me, Twickenham felt confused
What a load of bullshit. I think you've out marshalled Justin Marshall there. Pretty sad for you.
@bones said in England vs All Blacks:
@majorrage said in England vs All Blacks:
England robbed.
Shit decison. Reverse it and This forum tops porn hub for bandwidth.
Hollow victory for me, Twickenham felt confused
What a load of bullshit. I think you've out marshalled Justin Marshall there. Pretty sad for you.
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Lawes started iffside let alone moved early. Correct decision.
England will be devo, they threw everything at that
@mariner4life said in England vs All Blacks:
Lawes started iffside let alone moved early. Correct decision.
England will be devo, they threw everything at that
England most likely will be disappointed that in the second half they played very little rugby with the ball. The ABs had more patches of go forward in the second half thanks to both our backs and forwards.
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I was very disappointed with nz scrum. To only get parity with the worst scrum in tier 1 rugby is a national disgrace. A stain on all our manhoods.
@rapido said in England vs All Blacks:
I was very disappointed with nz scrum. To only get parity with the worst scrum in tier 1 rugby is a national disgrace. A stain on all our manhoods.
I did expect that we would have more dominance in that area although as pointed out pre match, the way scrums are adjudicated at the moment causing the opposition to buckle down or stand up is only called if the ball isn't available at the back. I think we had a few of those.
Also looked to me like the one where Of a didn't bind was a dominant scrum at a good position and time. The lack of bind got the blame as it was the easiest call. Of a put his hand down to stabilise but couldn't get it back up. -
I don't think Shag will be too happy with Ofa for just lying on their side of the ruck towards the end of the match just outside their 22. He made no attempt to roll away. Another ref could have easily penalised him for that and it would have been 3 points to them and game over. Terrible discipline on his part.
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I don't think Shag will be too happy with Ofa for just lying on their side of the ruck towards the end of the match just outside their 22. He made no attempt to roll away. Another ref could have easily penalised him for that and it would have been 3 points to them and game over. Terrible discipline on his part.
@akan004 I was quite suprised he got away with that tbh. Most of those get given these days.
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I don't think Shag will be too happy with Ofa for just lying on their side of the ruck towards the end of the match just outside their 22. He made no attempt to roll away. Another ref could have easily penalised him for that and it would have been 3 points to them and game over. Terrible discipline on his part.
@akan004 said in England vs All Blacks:
I don't think Shag will be too happy with Ofa for just lying on their side of the ruck towards the end of the match just outside their 22. He made no attempt to roll away. Another ref could have easily penalised him for that and it would have been 3 points to them and game over. Terrible discipline on his part.
It took me 79 minutes to get worked up enough to tell at the TV, that was the moment. Ofa lieing there like a stiff corpse.
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What a tough tense match. Shocking conditions, the Poms were committed and played right on the line (and a fair amount over it), they played their game about as well as they could in the first 40. They negated our game for the most part of the first half. We were far from perfect, the last pass option let us down a couple of time, but we deserved the win. After all that time offside it was fitting that we finally got a decision to go our way with the disallowed try. Plenty to work on as they say, but a good hard game that we did well to win
