England vs All Blacks
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@paekakboyz said in England vs All Blacks:
@duluth good question, but three things jump out. With a disclaimer that I'm a DMac fan.
- Height
- size re defending and making dominant tackles, especially for line defense and covering.
- risk that we get caught out in our structures in broken play if he's been involved earlier or has a floating mandate etc.
Which would all apply to NMS and yet have never been questioned when discussing him
@bones said in England vs All Blacks:
@paekakboyz said in England vs All Blacks:
@duluth good question, but three things jump out. With a disclaimer that I'm a DMac fan.
- Height
- size re defending and making dominant tackles, especially for line defense and covering.
- risk that we get caught out in our structures in broken play if he's been involved earlier or has a floating mandate etc.
Which would all apply to NMS and yet have never been questioned when discussing him
And Dmac is strong in the tackle too. We aren't really known for our wingers ever being consistent power tacklers. Naholo doesn't even bother tackling...
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@paekakboyz said in England vs All Blacks:
@billy-tell I agree but am hoping we see Bridge or another genuine wing option emerge - I want BFA at fullback for our 2019 campaign with the option to shift him to wing to let us bring on DMac + Mounga etc.
I don't see how the inclusion of Bridge helps this situation, other than be a squad member. Bridge is a left winger so is competing with Ioane for the same position. There aren't that many right wingers around outside of Naholo, and at the moment he's not part of their preferred XV either.
It seems at the moment they've found a formula that includes BB, DMac and Mo'unga in the 23. All I hope for is that Hansen and Foster are flexible in their thinking and the substitution of BB or DMac is based on the game situation at the time and their impact on the game, not predetermined that DMac goes off after 60-65 mins. If BB isn't firing then yank him.
@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
@paekakboyz said in England vs All Blacks:
@billy-tell I agree but am hoping we see Bridge or another genuine wing option emerge - I want BFA at fullback for our 2019 campaign with the option to shift him to wing to let us bring on DMac + Mounga etc.
I don't see how the inclusion of Bridge helps this situation, other than be a squad member. Bridge is a left winger so is competing with Ioane for the same position. There aren't that many right wingers around outside of Naholo, and at the moment he's not part of their preferred XV either.
It seems at the moment they've found a formula that includes BB, DMac and Mo'unga in the 23. All I hope for is that Hansen and Foster are flexible in their thinking and the substitution of BB or DMac is based on the game situation at the time and their impact on the game, not predetermined that DMac goes off after 60-65 mins. If BB isn't firing then yank him.
Yeah, the problem with DMac starting and being subbed is that he is not on the field at exactly the time he has made the most impact in black. I really want him out there in the final 15 minutes running around tired defenders, that is his bread and butter.
It's pretty difficult to get Beauden, Mo'unga and DMac on the field at the same time unless Rieko or BFA move to centre. Rieko moving there in the final stanza is not a bad option TBH given he has some experience there already. Then the backline in the final 20 could look like:
TJP
Mo'unga
DMac
Goodhue
Rieko
BFA
BeaudenWhich would be unbelievably dangerous!
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Would have been handy to have piutau still floating around. No point flogging a dead horse I suppose.
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@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
The phrase I associate with Andre Watson was "if you are on the ground all you can do is breathe".
Yep. Coined the expression "lazy runner" too I think? Ali Williams v Boks? Was a lock IIRC. Pissed me off at the time because he really meant offside but in those days a retreating player was usually considered onside if retreating. Set a precedent for a law interpretation.
Actually a good one, that players must stay out of the way if they aren't in a position to be involved with the ball / player legally. That's just my memory of it, but does show the evolution of the way rugby is played and hence the changes being made to the touchline, for example, which opens up the opportunity for the player to do something clever / athletic and we get the ball in play more.For a curmudgeonly prick I actually like some of the changes.
@snowy said in England vs All Blacks:
@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
The phrase I associate with Andre Watson was "if you are on the ground all you can do is breathe".
Yep. Coined the expression "lazy runner" too I think? Ali Williams v Boks? Was a lock IIRC. Pissed me off at the time because he really meant offside but in those days a retreating player was usually considered onside if retreating. Set a precedent for a law interpretation.
Actually a good one, that players must stay out of the way if they aren't in a position to be involved with the ball / player legally. That's just my memory of it, but does show the evolution of the way rugby is played and hence the changes being made to the touchline, for example, which opens up the opportunity for the player to do something clever / athletic and we get the ball in play more.For a curmudgeonly prick I actually like some of the changes.
Norm Maxwell I thought.
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@paekakboyz said in England vs All Blacks:
@billy-tell I agree but am hoping we see Bridge or another genuine wing option emerge - I want BFA at fullback for our 2019 campaign with the option to shift him to wing to let us bring on DMac + Mounga etc.
I don't see how the inclusion of Bridge helps this situation, other than be a squad member. Bridge is a left winger so is competing with Ioane for the same position. There aren't that many right wingers around outside of Naholo, and at the moment he's not part of their preferred XV either.
It seems at the moment they've found a formula that includes BB, DMac and Mo'unga in the 23. All I hope for is that Hansen and Foster are flexible in their thinking and the substitution of BB or DMac is based on the game situation at the time and their impact on the game, not predetermined that DMac goes off after 60-65 mins. If BB isn't firing then yank him.
@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
Bridge is a left winger so is competing with Ioane for the same position.
Maybe Robertson will do us a solid and play him on the right? Or maybe Dagg will come back from his easy rugby in Japan in sparkling form?
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@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
@paekakboyz said in England vs All Blacks:
@billy-tell I agree but am hoping we see Bridge or another genuine wing option emerge - I want BFA at fullback for our 2019 campaign with the option to shift him to wing to let us bring on DMac + Mounga etc.
I don't see how the inclusion of Bridge helps this situation, other than be a squad member. Bridge is a left winger so is competing with Ioane for the same position. There aren't that many right wingers around outside of Naholo, and at the moment he's not part of their preferred XV either.
It seems at the moment they've found a formula that includes BB, DMac and Mo'unga in the 23. All I hope for is that Hansen and Foster are flexible in their thinking and the substitution of BB or DMac is based on the game situation at the time and their impact on the game, not predetermined that DMac goes off after 60-65 mins. If BB isn't firing then yank him.
Yeah, the problem with DMac starting and being subbed is that he is not on the field at exactly the time he has made the most impact in black. I really want him out there in the final 15 minutes running around tired defenders, that is his bread and butter.
It's pretty difficult to get Beauden, Mo'unga and DMac on the field at the same time unless Rieko or BFA move to centre. Rieko moving there in the final stanza is not a bad option TBH given he has some experience there already. Then the backline in the final 20 could look like:
TJP
Mo'unga
DMac
Goodhue
Rieko
BFA
BeaudenWhich would be unbelievably dangerous!
@no-quarter said in England vs All Blacks:
Which would be unbelievably dangerous!
Though for whom, would be the question.
To paraphrase Prince, that backline looks a bit ready to party like it's 1999!
Somehow get all our most dangerous players in there!
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@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
Bridge is a left winger so is competing with Ioane for the same position.
Maybe Robertson will do us a solid and play him on the right? Or maybe Dagg will come back from his easy rugby in Japan in sparkling form?
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@no-quarter said in England vs All Blacks:
Which would be unbelievably dangerous!
Though for whom, would be the question.
To paraphrase Prince, that backline looks a bit ready to party like it's 1999!
Somehow get all our most dangerous players in there!
@chris-b said in England vs All Blacks:
@no-quarter said in England vs All Blacks:
Which would be unbelievably dangerous!
Though for whom, would be the question.
To paraphrase Prince, that backline looks a bit ready to party like it's 1999!
Somehow get all our most dangerous players in there!
The unknowns are Rieko at 13 and DMac at 11. Wouldn't want to start with that, but if the game is opening up a bit...
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@nepia Tana could play Rieko on the right - after all he's promised not to play him at second five so he (Tana) is going to need another outlet for his "creativity"!
@chris-b said in England vs All Blacks:
@nepia Tana could play Rieko on the right - after all he's promised not to play him at second five so he (Tana) is going to need another outlet for his "creativity"!
Yeah, but the Crusaders have ground to make up with NZ for the shameful antics of Dingo Deans who put franchise before country.
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@chris-b said in England vs All Blacks:
@nepia Tana could play Rieko on the right - after all he's promised not to play him at second five so he (Tana) is going to need another outlet for his "creativity"!
Yeah, but the Crusaders have ground to make up with NZ for the shameful antics of Dingo Deans who put franchise before country.
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@nepia But, Razor needs to play your Hawkes Bay boy Israel on the right - at least initially.
I think we will see Will Jordan there too - and he may prove the answer to all questions!
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@bones said in England vs All Blacks:
@paekakboyz said in England vs All Blacks:
@duluth good question, but three things jump out. With a disclaimer that I'm a DMac fan.
- Height
- size re defending and making dominant tackles, especially for line defense and covering.
- risk that we get caught out in our structures in broken play if he's been involved earlier or has a floating mandate etc.
Which would all apply to NMS and yet have never been questioned when discussing him
And Dmac is strong in the tackle too. We aren't really known for our wingers ever being consistent power tacklers. Naholo doesn't even bother tackling...
@hooroo said in England vs All Blacks:
@bones said in England vs All Blacks:
@paekakboyz said in England vs All Blacks:
@duluth good question, but three things jump out. With a disclaimer that I'm a DMac fan.
- Height
- size re defending and making dominant tackles, especially for line defense and covering.
- risk that we get caught out in our structures in broken play if he's been involved earlier or has a floating mandate etc.
Which would all apply to NMS and yet have never been questioned when discussing him
And Dmac is strong in the tackle too. We aren't really known for our wingers ever being consistent power tacklers. Naholo doesn't even bother tackling...
Jonah was always good for a massive spot tackle provided the ball runner hadn't stepped him.
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@chris-b Dagg and Bridge can share fullback and right wing - Havilii seems a bit of a busted flush on this years form. Jordan a year away maybe?
@nepia A year away from the ABs?
Probably. I think he's still got some learning to do around positional play, etc.
He would need to burst onto Super rugby like a latter-day Christian Cullen to make it the RWC2019 - but, the thing is... he might be good enough to do it!
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@nepia A year away from the ABs?
Probably. I think he's still got some learning to do around positional play, etc.
He would need to burst onto Super rugby like a latter-day Christian Cullen to make it the RWC2019 - but, the thing is... he might be good enough to do it!
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@snowy said in England vs All Blacks:
@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
The phrase I associate with Andre Watson was "if you are on the ground all you can do is breathe".
Yep. Coined the expression "lazy runner" too I think? Ali Williams v Boks? Was a lock IIRC. Pissed me off at the time because he really meant offside but in those days a retreating player was usually considered onside if retreating. Set a precedent for a law interpretation.
Actually a good one, that players must stay out of the way if they aren't in a position to be involved with the ball / player legally. That's just my memory of it, but does show the evolution of the way rugby is played and hence the changes being made to the touchline, for example, which opens up the opportunity for the player to do something clever / athletic and we get the ball in play more.For a curmudgeonly prick I actually like some of the changes.
Norm Maxwell I thought.
@frye said in England vs All Blacks:
@snowy said in England vs All Blacks:
@bovidae said in England vs All Blacks:
The phrase I associate with Andre Watson was "if you are on the ground all you can do is breathe".
Yep. Coined the expression "lazy runner" too I think? Ali Williams v Boks? Was a lock IIRC. Pissed me off at the time because he really meant offside but in those days a retreating player was usually considered onside if retreating. Set a precedent for a law interpretation.
Actually a good one, that players must stay out of the way if they aren't in a position to be involved with the ball / player legally. That's just my memory of it, but does show the evolution of the way rugby is played and hence the changes being made to the touchline, for example, which opens up the opportunity for the player to do something clever / athletic and we get the ball in play more.For a curmudgeonly prick I actually like some of the changes.
Norm Maxwell I thought.
Gary Whetton was the master at this. Often seen wandering back onside with his arms in the air between halfback and 1st 5 just as the ball was available.
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@chris-b Dagg and Bridge can share fullback and right wing - Havilii seems a bit of a busted flush on this years form. Jordan a year away maybe?
@nepia said in England vs All Blacks:
@chris-b Dagg and Bridge can share fullback and right wing - Havilii seems a bit of a busted flush on this years form. Jordan a year away maybe?
These guys at Rugbypass are really rating Jordan - also some interesting insights into Ta$man's offensive system!
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@nepia said in England vs All Blacks:
@chris-b Dagg and Bridge can share fullback and right wing - Havilii seems a bit of a busted flush on this years form. Jordan a year away maybe?
These guys at Rugbypass are really rating Jordan - also some interesting insights into Ta$man's offensive system!
), although I got to the bottom and saw it was the same outfit who created that idiotic rating system ... so now I'm in two minds on what to think of it!