Ireland vs All Blacks (2018)
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@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
You must get out an awful lot more than me as I rarely meet these people.
@catogrande said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
You must get out an awful lot more than me as I rarely meet these people.
A lot of the people I see in England, even Wales - are more those for whom rugby is a secondary sport, and they only have limited understanding of rules/etc. Soccer/football is obviously the primary sport - and they just watch rugby for the 6 Nations, and some of the "Autumn Internationals" - if they don't have anything else going on.
For a lot of these people, their whole understanding of rugby comes from the "clickbait" type articles in newspapers - so if Stephen Jones or Stuart Barnes write some ridiculous article... they'll believe it.
There are obviously also those who actually do watch rugby, including club rugby - and know their shit.
I'll leave it up to you to figure out which my boss is, with the clue being the first thing he said to me after the Eng-NZ game was... "Right, am I mad, but... how was that ever offside? I mean the ball was way ahead of that guy... " -
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
Yep this 100%. My neighbour is an older retired gentleman that watches a huge amount of rugby and played to a good standard back in the day. Every time NZ play he tells me McCaw was a "poor" player who the refs were too scared to penalise properly. And that he wouldn't have made the England team.
He is an otherwise intelligent and thoroughly lovely bloke. Obviously swore Lawes was onside last weekend.
It's fucking bizarre, and he's representative of most English rugby fans I come into contact with.
I've been here 13 years and it's gotten worse as the ABs have become more dominant.
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@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
Yep this 100%. My neighbour is an older retired gentleman that watches a huge amount of rugby and played to a good standard back in the day. Every time NZ play he tells me McCaw was a "poor" player who the refs were too scared to penalise properly. And that he wouldn't have made the England team.
He is an otherwise intelligent and thoroughly lovely bloke. Obviously swore Lawes was onside last weekend.
It's fucking bizarre, and he's representative of most English rugby fans I come into contact with.
I've been here 13 years and it's gotten worse as the ABs have become more dominant.
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@catogrande said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@tewaio @Kruse Hmmm. Maybe you guys just get this shit because you're Kiwis? No point in trying to bait and Englishman on this subject sort of thing?
I haven't seen any of the extreme behaviour reported by @Victor-Meldrew or @TeWaio ... although I can believe there is a small minority that really do behave like this.
Like I say - I just see much more moderate (and genuine) "ignorance due to it's not my main sport", by those who read bollocks articles.
And when I talk to anybody with a genuine interest in rugby - ie, anybody supporting a local club... they are generally fine.What I have been surprised by, is whenever I watch a game in a Welsh pub... for a country where it's supposed to be NZ-like in that it's the main sport... the "average pundit" doesn't seem to know the game. Or perhaps - just that they're super parochial/one-eyed?
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You can get into a bubble being a rugby fan and assume everyone knows stuff. Listening to radio this morning and the presenter says “...and Ireland play New Zealand later on , oh no I mean theyre playing the ALL Blacks, are they the same thing, I don know, but I’m told it will be lots of fun. Anyway onto other things, the headlines are....”
In the city centre this morning and the rugby carpetbaggers are out in force. Pubs that wouldn’t be seen dead showing a rugby game any other weekend are all dressed up in green and flags with prices jacked up accordingly. Hate that gouging shit.
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@catogrande said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@victor-meldrew said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
You must get out an awful lot more than me as I rarely meet these people.
A lot of the people I see in England, even Wales - are more those for whom rugby is a secondary sport, and they only have limited understanding of rules/etc. Soccer/football is obviously the primary sport - and they just watch rugby for the 6 Nations, and some of the "Autumn Internationals" - if they don't have anything else going on.
For a lot of these people, their whole understanding of rugby comes from the "clickbait" type articles in newspapers - so if Stephen Jones or Stuart Barnes write some ridiculous article... they'll believe it.
There are obviously also those who actually do watch rugby, including club rugby - and know their shit.
I'll leave it up to you to figure out which my boss is, with the clue being the first thing he said to me after the Eng-NZ game was... "Right, am I mad, but... how was that ever offside? I mean the ball was way ahead of that guy... "@kruse said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
For a lot of these people, their whole understanding of rugby comes from the "clickbait" type articles in newspapers - so if Stephen Jones or Stuart Barnes write some ridiculous article... they'll believe it.
This times 100.
The proper rugby fans are as good as any you meet anywhere. Though I've met genuine supporters who have difficulty.understanding that the likes of Tana and Nonu were born in NZ.
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@catogrande said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
Hmmm. Maybe you guys just get this shit because you're Kiwis?
Been here for 30+ years so I do blend in.... When they twig I'm from NZ the shit generally stops.
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You can get into a bubble being a rugby fan and assume everyone knows stuff. Listening to radio this morning and the presenter says “...and Ireland play New Zealand later on , oh no I mean theyre playing the ALL Blacks, are they the same thing, I don know, but I’m told it will be lots of fun. Anyway onto other things, the headlines are....”
In the city centre this morning and the rugby carpetbaggers are out in force. Pubs that wouldn’t be seen dead showing a rugby game any other weekend are all dressed up in green and flags with prices jacked up accordingly. Hate that gouging shit.
@derm-mccrum For all that, Dublin is far and away the best city I’ve been to to watch a test match. If they are dressing the place up to convince the visitors they are fans they’re doing a great job of it!
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Goodness the best part of ten minutes until kick off and both teams are already on the field of play for the pre match ceremonies. Must be a record of some sorts.
First dignatory up is the President of the Republic of Ireland, clearly a half back in his playing days -
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland Vs All Blacks:
OK 'no one' might be a stretch' but point is valid
You'd be amazed at the number of normally rational, intelligent, sensible people in England who think the ABs are an average team who only win because the Refs are in their pockets or are in awe of them, the laws are changed to specifically help the All Blacks and all the Polynesians in NZ have been brought there specifically to assist the AB selectors.
I've been told, in all seriousness, that McCaw was a very average player who would struggle to make the England Test team. The theory was his cheating made him look good and wouldn't be allowed to get away with cheating if he wore an England shirt.
@victor-meldrew i didnt come across too many like that.
MY rugby coach was a dick and played to the stereo type of KIwis in UK, in the 'accent' too
BUt I worked with a guy, big soccer fan, occasional rugby fan....tried to enlighten me on the dummy running rules NZ were breaking after the media job Woodward did in the NH tour that year (2002?)
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Couple of very good kicks from DMac and Beauden early on.
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We look on early which makes a nice change
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Good defense from Ireland but nice to see us at the right end of the pitch early on making them tackle.
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Silly from BBBR.
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Early signs suggest the ABs will struggle with the rush defence.
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Best of luck lads, by the way.
