Wellington Phoenix
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Given their viewing and attendance figures, i fully expect no one to read this, but what is the point of the Wellington Phoenix? And, more importantly, how long until the A-League give them the boot?
They are one of 4 teams to never win the comp. They are one of 2 teams to never even make a final. They have the lowest average attendance in the comp, and that has dropped by 25% this year compared to last.
They've won once all year, and of course sit rooted to the bottom of the table.
Half of the first team squad are foreigners. In their last game, 9 of the 14 players used were overseas players.
Why do they exist again?
@mariner4life said in What is the point of the Phoenix?:
....but what is the point of Wellington....
This is a question I’ve asked many times.
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@mn5 said in What is the point of the Phoenix?:
I used to go fairly regularly with work ( in the corp box of course ) and I must admit the crowd are pretty good fun despite their low numbers ( actually they'd probably draw more than the Lions these days but I digress )
In the cold hard light of day I do agree with all you've written though. They dumped that Auckland team for having a similar record did they not?
The Warriors have made the playoffs 7 times in 23 years. The Wellington Phoenix have made it 4 times in 10 years.
The New Zealand Knights got 25 competition points from 42 regular season games.
The Wellington Phoenix have received 327 points from 273 regular season games. I think it is inaccurate to suggest two teams are on the same level when one team has received double the competition points of the other.I also think it's great that someone like @mariner4life can decide to support a team 11,000 miles away coached by a German and reliant on a couple of Brazilians and a Egyptian, all the while dismissing local football culture. How do you think Liverpool even formed? It was local passionate people who were so small minded that they had a dispute with Everton. That's how clubs are formed, that's what they are built on. I guess if they hadn't done that in 1892, by the time you came along you would have just supported another random club because what's the point in small clubs?
@hydro11 said in What is the point of the Phoenix?:
I also think it's great that someone like @mariner4life can decide to support a team 11,000 miles away coached by a German and reliant on a couple of Brazilians and a Egyptian, all the while dismissing local football culture. How do you think Liverpool even formed? It was local passionate people who were so small minded that they had a dispute with Everton. That's how clubs are formed, that's what they are built on. I guess if they hadn't done that in 1892, by the time you came along you would have just supported another random club because what's the point in small clubs?
holy shit, i missed this. Really? None of this makes any fucking sense at all super-fan. "local football culture" is 6,000 fans in a 34,000 seat stadium watching a team win once a year? Most of whom probably support a premier league side as well (how dismissive).
Their place is not secure. They are a failure on the pitch (making finals is a lot easier when 60% of the teams in the comp do). The Asian Federation isn't thrilled by the thought of an Oceania side making their Champions League (haha). Even overly optimistic and passionate Aussie soccer writers are starting to see that the A-League is stagnating. And I read an article today that thinks part of it is the lack of pathways for Aussie players. Having 10% of the teams trying to be a pathway for NZ players isn't going to help that.
Little point trying to compare to the Warriors, their own fans acknowledge they are a dumpster fire of epic proportions.
If you would like to change the tack of the argument. Why are they so shit? What needs to change?
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They just kicked out their only player who can actually score
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12186563
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@Hooroo said in What is the point of the Phoenix?:
Aren't they doing quite well at the moment??
I’m not going to let things like facts get in the way of a sarcastic gibe .
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@jegga I think it is Long Pins I who has given him the boot - not the Phoenix.
Quite why she felt the need to inform the media, I'm not sure.
@Chris-B said in What is the point of the Phoenix?:
@jegga I think it is Long Pins I who has given him the boot - not the Phoenix.
Quite why she felt the need to inform the media, I'm not sure.
I only read the headline, life’s too short to read about the Phoenix but now that you bought that to my attention there’s a link in article to her Instagram page. A cursory look indicates she spends a lot of time in various states of undress.
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@Chris-B said in What is the point of the Phoenix?:
@jegga I think it is Long Pins I who has given him the boot - not the Phoenix.
Quite why she felt the need to inform the media, I'm not sure.
I only read the headline, life’s too short to read about the Phoenix but now that you bought that to my attention there’s a link in article to her Instagram page. A cursory look indicates she spends a lot of time in various states of undress.
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What is scandalous about all this? Rich, unmarried footballer banging multiple tarts. Time to clutch pearls!
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What is scandalous about all this? Rich, unmarried footballer banging multiple tarts. Time to clutch pearls!
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in What is the point of the Phoenix?:
What is scandalous about all this? Rich, unmarried footballer banging multiple tarts.!
Or as I see it living the dream
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@Stargazer said in What is the point of the Phoenix?:
Hell yeah! Eighth straight win for the Nix!
Win or "not loss"?
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@Stargazer said in What is the point of the Phoenix?:
Hell yeah! Eighth straight win for the Nix!
Win or "not loss"?
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That table doesn't include tonight's win so three points ahead of Adelaide and one point off second, although game in hand for everyone ahead of us.
Impressive comeback tonight, woeful first have but incredible turn around after half time. I can't remember the last time I saw the phoenix playing with that kind of intensity and focus.
Rudan is a great manager. If the phoenix can keep him for three years they'll be doing well. Bigger clubs will be interested soon.
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"What is the point of the Phoenix"? Asks the man who has posted almost 9000 times on a sports forum.
Sometimes I come here to check in on how the rugby fraternity is dealing with other sports being in the limelight for two seconds; and this is the bullshit I always see.
The Phoenix are the only professional football team in New Zealand. Many kids play football in NZ. I'll leave it to you to work out why their continued existence is important to many people.
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@mariner4life you have been told because this new guy means something!!
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"What is the point of the Phoenix"? Asks the man who has posted almost 9000 times on a sports forum.
Sometimes I come here to check in on how the rugby fraternity is dealing with other sports being in the limelight for two seconds; and this is the bullshit I always see.
The Phoenix are the only professional football team in New Zealand. Many kids play football in NZ. I'll leave it to you to work out why their continued existence is important to many people.
@Antisonfire said in What is the point of the Phoenix?:
"What is the point of the Phoenix"? Asks the man who has posted almost 9000 times on a sports forum.
Sometimes I come here to check in on how the rugby fraternity is dealing with other sports being in the limelight for two seconds; and this is the bullshit I always see.
The Phoenix are the only professional football team in New Zealand. Many kids play football in NZ. I'll leave it to you to work out why their continued existence is important to many people.
If you aren’t going to answer the question can you at least give us a clue?
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"What is the point of the Phoenix"? Asks the man who has posted almost 9000 times on a sports forum.
Sometimes I come here to check in on how the rugby fraternity is dealing with other sports being in the limelight for two seconds; and this is the bullshit I always see.
The Phoenix are the only professional football team in New Zealand. Many kids play football in NZ. I'll leave it to you to work out why their continued existence is important to many people.
@Antisonfire not sure @mariner4life was having a crack at soccer. Just the Phoenix.
There's been similar questions about the point of the Force, Rebels, Kings and Sunwolves over the years. So don't go all soccer victim on us.
At that point the Phoenix were doing a disservice to soccer in the country and were not something to aspire to. Was a fair question.
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@Antisonfire not sure @mariner4life was having a crack at soccer. Just the Phoenix.
There's been similar questions about the point of the Force, Rebels, Kings and Sunwolves over the years. So don't go all soccer victim on us.
At that point the Phoenix were doing a disservice to soccer in the country and were not something to aspire to. Was a fair question.
@booboo Respectfully disagree. If the Hurricanes have 2 or 3 terrible seasons, how many on here want to get rid of them?
The Phoenix are the only pathway to professional football in New Zealand. Even if they are playing poorly - and yes, every sports team in existence have had periods where they perform below expectations - this is still the case. It doesn't change that fact.
What gets me annoyed is that the Phoenix don't get any support from the FFA (Football Fed Australia) and have been slapped with the requirement of fulfilling a range of 'metrics' in order to get their license renewed. Note that no other club in the A-League needs to hit any kind of similar target..
Now, you would think that this unfair treatment would spark some sort of empathy among sports fans in NZ - no matter which code they support - but that isn't the case. Instead, fans of other codes seem to shit on them even more. It's frustrating.
