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I assume that's an autocorrect for 'good in'?<br><br>
Yes, it's a pity they couldn't find a kid as good for Abel in SOA.<br><br>
Good show Happy Valley. I like the way the writers took what you assumed the structure of the story would be and screwed with it, taking it well away from a procedural.</p></blockquote>
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<p>SOA. Beware the interwebby for Spoilers on the finale.</p>
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<p>A book has been written with cast quotes etc that was under embargo until after the screening but some dumbass distributor has sent some copies out early. Sutter is fuming and asking that fans keep anything they find out to themselves, but no doubt some knob end will think it's smart to let the cat out of the bag.</p> -
<p>AMC put up spoilers about the Walking Dead mid-season finale straight after it aired in the States, obviously the retard that did so, forgot that the rest of the world is not in that same time zone and many had yet to see it...they have issued apologies!</p>
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<p>[spoiler] Unlike the others I actually thought he always was going to kill her, what I didn't expect, and thought it was stupid was him killing Unser. I've added that killing to many of the Boardwalk Empire killings in the stupid killings list. Also, him hooking up with Wendy - yawn. Also, just leaving the bodies lying there, no silencer on the gun etc - stupid writing.</p>
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<p>I really only care about what happens to Nero now TBH. [/spoiler]</p>
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<p>This episode wasn't spoiled for me but then again I don't think Jegga has been watching it ;).</p> -
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<p>[spoiler] Unlike the others I actually thought he always was going to kill her, what I didn't expect, and thought it was stupid was him killing Unser. I've added that killing to many of the Boardwalk Empire killings in the stupid killings list. Also, him hooking up with Wendy - yawn. Also, just leaving the bodies lying there, no silencer on the gun etc - stupid writing.</p>
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<p>I really only care about what happens to Nero now TBH. [/spoiler]</p>
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<p>This episode wasn't spoiled for me but then again I don't think Jegga has been watching it ;).</p>
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<p>Nope, it never really grabbed me but judging by the reaction to it here its obviously a decent show.</p> -
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[spoiler] No surprises for me either really. I was thinking all remaining from the start are going to be killed off, but now I think Wendy will stay alive - and ride off with Nero. Nero was fixing the bike to break when Jacks tries to ride off...[/spoiler] -
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<p>Nope, it never really grabbed me but judging by the reaction to it here its obviously a decent show.</p>
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<p>It had a really good spell, although it's hard to pin down exactly when. Most are watching it now just to see the end of the story.</p>
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<p>Originally it was an interesting concept with good characters and a roughly modern take on a Hamlet storyline. It's hard to tell if Sutter always intended it to escalate to the levels of violence that it did or whether he got carried away. It used to have one or two shock moments a season, the last season has been full of what used to be shock moments but have become the norm.</p>
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<p>Personally I have invested enough time in the characters to see it through and it is still well made, but if you were to look back (I think that the seven seasons have had a timeline of about three years) the club has gone from the original concept of this bikie club of hardasses that were on the wrong side of the law but good at heart, having quiet support of the local police because they kept drugs and other shit away from the town to being these full on gangsters that don't blink an eye in gunning down anyone that gets in their way.</p> -
<p>Pretty interesting read from David Simon about HBO converting The Wire to 16x9 and HD and how it affects the show in both a positive and negative manner depending on the shot composition.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://davidsimon.com/the-wire-hd-with-videos/'>http://davidsimon.com/the-wire-hd-with-videos/</a></p> -
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<p>It had a really good spell, although it's hard to pin down exactly when. Most are watching it now just to see the end of the story.</p>
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<p>Originally it was an interesting concept with good characters and a roughly modern take on a Hamlet storyline. It's hard to tell if Sutter always intended it to escalate to the levels of violence that it did or whether he got carried away. It used to have one or two shock moments a season, the last season has been full of what used to be shock moments but have become the norm.</p>
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<p>Personally I have invested enough time in the characters to see it through and it is still well made, but if you were to look back (I think that the seven seasons have had a timeline of about three years) the club has gone from the original concept of this bikie club of hardasses that were on the wrong side of the law but good at heart, having quiet support of the local police because they kept drugs and other shit away from the town to being these full on gangsters that don't blink an eye in gunning down anyone that gets in their way.</p>
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<p>As a show, it has been really good and poor, I thought the best thing about the series in Ireland was the soundtrack and then I think it was the next series was going well until the cop out finale with the Cartel.</p>
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<p>This season they have gone all out with the mayhem, and TBH it is over the top, because surely with the body count involved all manner of law enforcement (State, Federal) would be all over Charming and Oakland and the Sons, AB, Mayans etc would barely breathe for all the attention they'd be getting?</p>
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<p>And Annabeth Gish would be getting pressured from all over, and it isnt like they wouldnt be able to pin shit on the Sons if they needed to...aside form that, great fun to watch</p> -
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<p>anyone watching Homeland Season 4?<strong> IMO by far the best season,</strong> glad they went a very different route from the first three. Last two episodes (There's Something Else Going on & 13 Hours in Islamabad) have been absolutely fantastic</p>
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<p>Not even close to season 1 but the best season since then. I haven't watched this weeks episode yet, but the last two were nail biters and man I was disappointed that I had to wait.</p>
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<p>There's still a few really stupid things about it that annoy me though - mostly to do with Carrie but not enough to stop my enjoyment.</p>
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<p>It had a really good spell, although it's hard to pin down exactly when. Most are watching it now just to see the end of the story.</p>
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<p>Originally it was an interesting concept with good characters and a roughly modern take on a Hamlet storyline. It's hard to tell if Sutter always intended it to escalate to the levels of violence that it did or whether he got carried away. It used to have one or two shock moments a season, the last season has been full of what used to be shock moments but have become the norm.</p>
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<p>Personally I have invested enough time in the characters to see it through and it is still well made, but if you were to look back (I think that the seven seasons have had a timeline of about three years) the club has gone from the original concept of this bikie club of hardasses that were on the wrong side of the law but good at heart, having quiet support of the local police because they kept drugs and other shit away from the town to being these full on gangsters that don't blink an eye in gunning down anyone that gets in their way.</p>
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<p>I kind of agree, it's a good show, but not a great show and I'm still watching to see how it plays out. Jax isn't anything like the character he started out as and TBH I don't think they showed the development (or did it well enough) to get him from there to here.</p>
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<p>Although if S1 didn't grab you Jegga it may not be worth it because Seasons 1 & 2 were up there with the best TV IMHO.</p>
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<p>More spoiler whining about the latest ep
(and some spoilers of The Shield and Sopranos): </p>
<p>[spoiler] Another silly thing about Jax killing Unser is that Jemma doesn't blink an eye lid about, arguably outside of her family (and lately Chucky) Unser has been the guy that she has really cared about and she did nothing to stop Jax killing him and then didn't give shit when she did.</p>
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<p>I know what Sutter is trying to do with the 'mayhem' as TR puts it, but it's not really working and certainly not in the way it did in the final seasons of The Shield (which I assume he wrote much of) or the Sopranos. On both those shows all the deaths were believable and made sense (even in senseless fashions) but Sutter hasn't sticked this landing. [/spoiler]</p> -
<p>Nepia Jax has had a huge development over the course of the story. He was always a bad guy. Remember in season 1, he beat the shit out of that guy for sitting on his bike, then fucked his hot girlfriend. Then didn't he ultimately kill the FBI agent who was stalking Tara just because he mouthed off? (i may be wrong on that one). It's not like he started at saint. he started at hot headed, violent thug, and moved to straight up vengeful murderer. That's hardly a stretch. </p>
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<p>In between he has seen:<br>
His father in law have the wife of his best friend killed;</p>
<p>his kid kidnapped by IRA gangsters;</p>
<p>watched his best friend get beaten to death;</p>
<p>Have someone try to kill his wife (again, his father in law)</p>
<p>have someone actually kill his wife, and mother of his children. </p>
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<p>Pretty much all the really violent shit he has done has been in retaliation for one of those acts. </p>
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<p>As for the Sons starting as "good at heart" it was easy when they were selling guns to gang bangers and drug dealers in another city. Clay kept making bad decisions (it all got real bad when they started selling guns to mexican drug lords), and then someone would tell a lie (remember how the thing with Pope started?), and shit would re-escalate. </p>
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<p>While i haven't been impressed with the last season, it hasn't been as bad as some have made out, and i have really enjoyed the whole show (yes, i even liked the Irish series), and i think it is very simplistic to say that everything has been escalated with no reason. i think what the story is trying to show is the culmination of a lot of bad decisions, and their own actions over the various series coming back to hurt them. </p> -
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<p>Nepia Jax has had a huge development over the course of the story. He was always a bad guy. Remember in season 1, he beat the shit out of that guy for sitting on his bike, then fucked his hot girlfriend. Then didn't he ultimately kill the FBI agent who was stalking Tara just because he mouthed off? (i may be wrong on that one). It's not like he started at saint. he started at hot headed, violent thug, and moved to straight up vengeful murderer. That's hardly a stretch. </p>
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<p>In between he has seen:<br>
His father in law have the wife of his best friend killed;</p>
<p>his kid kidnapped by IRA gangsters;</p>
<p>watched his best friend get beaten to death;</p>
<p>Have someone try to kill his wife (again, his father in law)</p>
<p>have someone actually kill his wife, and mother of his children. </p>
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<p>Pretty much all the really violent shit he has done has been in retaliation for one of those acts. </p>
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<p>As for the Sons starting as "good at heart" it was easy when they were selling guns to gang bangers and drug dealers in another city. Clay kept making bad decisions (it all got real bad when they started selling guns to mexican drug lords), and then someone would tell a lie (remember how the thing with Pope started?), and shit would re-escalate. </p>
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<p>While i haven't been impressed with the last season, it hasn't been as bad as some have made out, and i have really enjoyed the whole show (yes, i even liked the Irish series), and i think it is very simplistic to say that everything has been escalated with no reason. <strong>i think what the story is trying to show is the culmination of a lot of bad decisions, and their own actions over the various series coming back to hurt them. </strong></p>
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<p>For a start, I never said that Jax was an angel. We just disagree on the character development, I don't think it's been well done and you think it is. As you say he was a bad ass from the start, I don't even think the cumulative effect of all the tragedies you mentioned would remove the introspection he had at the start even as a bad ass.</p>
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<p>I recently watched 4 episodes of season 1 with a friend who's just started watching the show and it put the show in perspective for me because it was just way better back then. </p>
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<p>I agree with the bold, but as I said I don't think it's been done well - like The Shield did.</p>
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<p>Ps: The final episodes of the Irish series were bloody good - they just needed to cut out the endless wait to get to Ireland.</p> -
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<p>have <strong><u>someone</u></strong> actually kill his wife, and mother of his children. </p>
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<p>[spoiler]Unser had to die. That was his story arc. It was either going to be by Jax or some other way, but the situation created the perfect opportunity for him to go.<br>
He basically had nothing left ('This is all I've got'), he had cancer and all of his previous motivations had gone. Remember when he just tried to bail out of life and go bush in his trailer? Gemma was his motivation to keep doing something other than get stoned. His job protecting Charming had gone. His relationship with Gemma had gone. His relationship with the club had also gone for any good intent.<br>
When he said 'this is all I have left' it could have been taken a couple of ways. One is that he would have earned back a small amount of respect with his peers by bringing in Gemma and solving the case, the other was that he was trying to save Gemma's life as she was the only small thing left he had feelings for.<br>
The show seems to be all about consequences and remember that the catalyst for much of the shit in this story is Gemma and Clay killing JT. Unser was complicit in covering up the fact and even though Jax only pinned it on Clay (other lie), if he hadn't done that Clay would not have been Pres, the club wouldn't have gone so far down the bad path etc etc.<br>
Yes, he could have been collateral damage in whatever goes down in the last episode but this had a better tie in with the events of the story.<br>
Sutter has made comment in interviews about 'who will be the narrator', as in who will be the character that carries the story all of the way through. Well we now know it won't be Gemma and it won't be Unser. Kind of points to Jax or Wendy as Bones says[/spoiler]</p> -
I suspect with a grand finale of a long running series it will always disappoint plenty of fans for any number of reasons...Lost, Dexter are 2 that I wasn't happy with off the top of my head.
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[spoiler] well, no surprises, and the end was obvious from well out.. At least it completed the story arc and didn't get gimmicky.. The end was the worst bit of blue screen effect since the 1950s though. Surely they could have done that shot better. [/spoiler]
