The Underarm Ball
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@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
It was on TV. The tri series in oz was perfect viewing time for us Kiwis
Not sure the round robin games were in 1980/81? Definitely 82/83 in Tri-Series with England.
I recall the final series in 80/81 was a best of 5.
First game in Sydney was day-night and NZ won. Pretty sure it was the first time we'd seen a day-night in NZ.
Second two finals were at MCG.
If I have it round the right way we got pummelled in the second final. All out 110ish? That game WASN'T on tele.
And game 3 was the underarm.
Those two games may have Saturday then Sunday. Day games. Pretty sure MCG didn't have lights then.
Game 4 back in Sydney (lost a closish one) I was not allowed to watch as it was a school night (previous day-nighter must have been still in holidays).
Will have to google cricinfo to check all the above to see how good my memory is.
that sounds close to spot on as i recall it ,
I was in Melb for the 82/83 tri series with England . I went to a couple of games , i remember being there beating the aussies well in a Saturday day game with edgar and Wright getting us off to a big start . those were the days when you could walk in with a chilli bin full of beer . Funny times.
We were particularly good that series , unfortunately lost Hadlee to injury right on the finals and possibly let the aussies off the hook . -
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
It was on TV. The tri series in oz was perfect viewing time for us Kiwis
Not sure the round robin games were in 1980/81? Definitely 82/83 in Tri-Series with England.
I recall the final series in 80/81 was a best of 5.
First game in Sydney was day-night and NZ won. Pretty sure it was the first time we'd seen a day-night in NZ.
Second two finals were at MCG.
If I have it round the right way we got pummelled in the second final. All out 110ish? That game WASN'T on tele.
And game 3 was the underarm.
Those two games may have Saturday then Sunday. Day games. Pretty sure MCG didn't have lights then.
Game 4 back in Sydney (lost a closish one) I was not allowed to watch as it was a school night (previous day-nighter must have been still in holidays).
Will have to google cricinfo to check all the above to see how good my memory is.
that sounds close to spot on as i recall it ,
I was in Melb for the 82/83 tri series with England . I went to a couple of games , i remember being there beating the aussies well in a Saturday day game with edgar and Wright getting us off to a big start . those were the days when you could walk in with a chilli bin full of beer . Funny times.
We were particularly good that series , unfortunately lost Hadlee to injury right on the finals and possibly let the aussies off the hook .That was the series David Gower was like a batting superman. We won an epic game by 2 wickets after England posted a formidable total of 238/8 by the standards of the day!
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@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
It was on TV. The tri series in oz was perfect viewing time for us Kiwis
Not sure the round robin games were in 1980/81? Definitely 82/83 in Tri-Series with England.
I recall the final series in 80/81 was a best of 5.
First game in Sydney was day-night and NZ won. Pretty sure it was the first time we'd seen a day-night in NZ.
Second two finals were at MCG.
If I have it round the right way we got pummelled in the second final. All out 110ish? That game WASN'T on tele.
And game 3 was the underarm.
Those two games may have Saturday then Sunday. Day games. Pretty sure MCG didn't have lights then.
Game 4 back in Sydney (lost a closish one) I was not allowed to watch as it was a school night (previous day-nighter must have been still in holidays).
Will have to google cricinfo to check all the above to see how good my memory is.
that sounds close to spot on as i recall it ,
I was in Melb for the 82/83 tri series with England . I went to a couple of games , i remember being there beating the aussies well in a Saturday day game with edgar and Wright getting us off to a big start . those were the days when you could walk in with a chilli bin full of beer . Funny times.
We were particularly good that series , unfortunately lost Hadlee to injury right on the finals and possibly let the aussies off the hook .That was the series David Gower was like a batting superman. We won an epic game by 2 wickets after England posted a formidable total of 238/8 by the standards of the day!
Will never forget running down the World Record score of 296 in Adelaide v England.
(IIRC now umpire Ian Gould played in that series for England.)
Bloody Aussies racked up 3 hundy for the first time ever in ODIs in one of the finals v the Hadlee-less attack (302. NZ managed 304 in a match later in the season v the rookie Lankans.)
This was the days when 240 was a massive score.
I recall having a magazine for the series which included stats (the start of my fascination with sports numbers) including the highest previous score in WSC natches being 245.
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@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
@booboo said in The Underarm Ball:
@canefan said in The Underarm Ball:
@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I remember it really well ,
im 56 now , was about 17 at the time , was still in NZ , not sure if it was on TV , but remember listening to it on the radio on the back porch of my parents house on a warm summer night ,
my older sister and my brother in law (both kiwis ) , were living in Melbourne , and were at the game .
It was on TV. The tri series in oz was perfect viewing time for us Kiwis
Not sure the round robin games were in 1980/81? Definitely 82/83 in Tri-Series with England.
I recall the final series in 80/81 was a best of 5.
First game in Sydney was day-night and NZ won. Pretty sure it was the first time we'd seen a day-night in NZ.
Second two finals were at MCG.
If I have it round the right way we got pummelled in the second final. All out 110ish? That game WASN'T on tele.
And game 3 was the underarm.
Those two games may have Saturday then Sunday. Day games. Pretty sure MCG didn't have lights then.
Game 4 back in Sydney (lost a closish one) I was not allowed to watch as it was a school night (previous day-nighter must have been still in holidays).
Will have to google cricinfo to check all the above to see how good my memory is.
that sounds close to spot on as i recall it ,
I was in Melb for the 82/83 tri series with England . I went to a couple of games , i remember being there beating the aussies well in a Saturday day game with edgar and Wright getting us off to a big start . those were the days when you could walk in with a chilli bin full of beer . Funny times.
We were particularly good that series , unfortunately lost Hadlee to injury right on the finals and possibly let the aussies off the hook .That was the series David Gower was like a batting superman. We won an epic game by 2 wickets after England posted a formidable total of 238/8 by the standards of the day!
Will never forget running down the World Record score of 296 in Adelaide v England.
(IIRC now umpire Ian Gould played in that series for England.)
Bloody Aussies racked up 3 hundy for the first time ever in ODIs in one of the finals v the Hadlee-less attack (302. NZ managed 304 in a match later in the season v the rookie Lankans.)
This was the days when 240 was a massive score.
I recall having a magazine for the series which included stats (the start of my fascination with sports numbers) including the highest previous score in WSC natches being 245.
That's the game I was thinking of
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@Crucial said in The Underarm Ball:
@Bones said in The Underarm Ball:
Totally legal. At least it will be until someone uses it against England, makes them look silly and they bitch to World Rugby and get a law change.
... and that law change then comes back to bite them in the arse, and they complain about it
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Watched the doco last night - was good to see/hear from Bruce Edgar, Brian McKechnie and Geoff Howarth. Of course we have heard plenty from Sneds and Smithy in recent times who were also interviewed.
I thought Greg Chappell came off as completely detached from reality. For him it was all about being burnt out from the captaincy and the heat. Of course he would continue as captain for three more years and his exploits in India are legendary, but alas.
Kim Hughes is also interviewed and it becomes pretty apparent when they cut between Chappell and Hughes why one was a great Australian captain and one I would enjoy having a beer with.
Also a lot of crocodile tears from Greg (and the director IMO) for the underarm being the only thing Trever is remembered for. Not a mention of McKechnie whose international cricket career is known for this and his AB career is pretty much remember for kicking the Hayden lineout penalty.
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@rotated said in The Underarm Ball:
Watched the doco last night - was good to see/hear from Bruce Edgar, Brian McKechnie and Geoff Howarth. Of course we have heard plenty from Sneds and Smithy in recent times who were also interviewed.
I thought Greg Chappell came off as completely detached from reality. For him it was all about being burnt out from the captaincy and the heat. Of course he would continue as captain for three more years and his exploits in India are legendary, but alas.
Kim Hughes is also interviewed and it becomes pretty apparent when they cut between Chappell and Hughes why one was a great Australian captain and one I would enjoy having a beer with.
Also a lot of crocodile tears from Greg (and the director IMO) for the underarm being the only thing Trever is remembered for. Not a mention of McKechnie whose international cricket career is known for this and his AB career is pretty much remember for kicking the Hayden lineout penalty.
I reckon if you were to ask most aussies , what is Trevor Chappell most remembered for , they would say bowling the underarm ,
if you were ask them what is Brian Mckecknie remembered for , they would say , never heard of him
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@rotated said in The Underarm Ball:
Watched the doco last night - was good to see/hear from Bruce Edgar, Brian McKechnie and Geoff Howarth. Of course we have heard plenty from Sneds and Smithy in recent times who were also interviewed.
I thought Greg Chappell came off as completely detached from reality. For him it was all about being burnt out from the captaincy and the heat. Of course he would continue as captain for three more years and his exploits in India are legendary, but alas.
Kim Hughes is also interviewed and it becomes pretty apparent when they cut between Chappell and Hughes why one was a great Australian captain and one I would enjoy having a beer with.
Also a lot of crocodile tears from Greg (and the director IMO) for the underarm being the only thing Trever is remembered for. Not a mention of McKechnie whose international cricket career is known for this and his AB career is pretty much remember for kicking the Hayden lineout penalty.
Yeah - that was weird, I'd never heard the "I was burnt out, and tired, and just didn't want to play any more, and it was all just some kind of protest" excuse before.... and the director definitely used that as a main narrative point.
Didn't really match with the fact that it didn't prevent further games being played, and he performed rather well in immediately subsequent game(s), and kept the captaincy for another few years.
Greg Chappell - seems to have over-rationalised it in his own head, until quite divorced from reality (amusing that his memory of Geoff Howarth's comments when he walked onto the pitch in the next game... very, very different from Geoff's recollection... and the comment that his memory of it was "the greatest act of sportsmanship he'd been on the receiving end of"... suggesting... there had been greater acts of sportsmanship, which he'd graciously bestowed on others?)
Trevor Chappell - seems like a reasonable enough guy, have heard he jokes about it with McKechnie in private.
Snedden - possibly a little too honest, in admitting that it was great that NZ had something they'd use to hold over Oz's head "for the rest of our lives" -
Chappell didn't hear Rod Marsh's protestations, but remarked in the doco "If someone had been grown up enough" to challenge me it might not have happened.
Says a lot about his attitude to others.I can admire a strong forthright personality but at times he appears slightly demented.
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@Kruse said in The Underarm Ball:
Snedden - possibly a little too honest, in admitting that it was great that NZ had something they'd use to hold over Oz's head "for the rest of our lives"
I thought it was the general comment that it helped popularise cricket more in New Zealand by putting it front and centre and getting non die-hards "fired up" about cricket for one of the first times ever.
Howarth's and Snedden's comments would be analogous to saying it was good Dennis Connor was about for the popularity of America's Cup in the country. Absolute pole-smoker who caused a lot of consternation at the time, but 1995 wouldn't have been nearly as popular (or as sweet) if we hadn't suffered at the hands of him for the better part of a decade.
It's a hero's journey - suffer a great injustice at the first hurdle and people will be more invested in the come back.
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@kiwiinmelb said in The Underarm Ball:
I reckon if you were to ask most aussies , what is Trevor Chappell most remembered for , they would say bowling the underarm ,
if you were ask them what is Brian Mckecknie remembered for , they would say , never heard of him
I'm talking about the sport following public of the respective countries. If you ask the average Aussie on the street they wouldn't be able to tell which Chappell is which - it was thirty years ago.
