Reason and Tuipulotu
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Isn't this libel from Reason? Someone should archive it in case it gets deleted.
The Blues have struggled with their leadership in recent seasons and the appointment of Tuipulotu is not the way forward. He failed a drugs test in France but was excused when the North American lab botched the 'B' sample. It's not a good look for a Super Rugby captain.
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@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Toddy said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
I always thought Patty was cleared because his b sample was clean, rather than the b test being 'botched'. It's a pretty shocking fact to get wrong if he has.
I think the news reports at the time suggested that the A sample was botched by the lab.
Reason being Reason I guess.
Close to slander if he got it around the wrong way.
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From last year, statement from Drug Free Sport NZ:
"It absolutely negates the A sample. There should be no stain or questioning he is in the clear.
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@Tim said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Kirwan I'm going ask a lawyer friend about it, but it seems to be straight libel.
Not hard to meet the legal test. The implication from Reason is that Pat is a drug cheat who is lucky to still be playing after the ineptitude of others. A reasonable person would deduce that Pat is a drug cheat. As a professional sportsman his reputation would be diminished.
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@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Toddy said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
I always thought Patty was cleared because his b sample was clean, rather than the b test being 'botched'. It's a pretty shocking fact to get wrong if he has.
I think the news reports at the time suggested that the A sample was botched by the lab.
Reason being Reason I guess.
Close to slander if he got it around the wrong way.
@Kirwan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Toddy said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
I always thought Patty was cleared because his b sample was clean, rather than the b test being 'botched'. It's a pretty shocking fact to get wrong if he has.
I think the news reports at the time suggested that the A sample was botched by the lab.
Reason being Reason I guess.
Close to slander if he got it around the wrong way.
I'm sure Reason has own sources who have confirmed to him that this whole thing was a cover up.
In other news, I understand Reason is a protege of a Walrus ...
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Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
I'm sure the NZRFU will be informed, and if he's wrong, then legal action should occur.
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@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
I'm sure the NZRFU will be informed, and if he's wrong, then legal action should occur.
@MajorRage said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
I'm sure the NZRFU will be informed, and if he's wrong, then legal action should occur.
I think the NZRU have an obligation to protect their players from these sort of smears. Absolutely should be legal action.
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@MajorRage said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
I'm sure the NZRFU will be informed, and if he's wrong, then legal action should occur.
I think the NZRU have an obligation to protect their players from these sort of smears. Absolutely should be legal action.
@Kirwan said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@MajorRage said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
I'm sure the NZRFU will be informed, and if he's wrong, then legal action should occur.
I think the NZRU have an obligation to protect their players from these sort of smears. Absolutely should be legal action.
They never did anything any of the times muckrakers said players were poached or when likes of Phil Kearns said we cheated our way to the 2011 title . There’ll be no consequences for Reason I bet .
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@Kirwan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Toddy said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
I always thought Patty was cleared because his b sample was clean, rather than the b test being 'botched'. It's a pretty shocking fact to get wrong if he has.
I think the news reports at the time suggested that the A sample was botched by the lab.
Reason being Reason I guess.
Close to slander if he got it around the wrong way.
I'm sure Reason has own sources who have confirmed to him that this whole thing was a cover up.
In other news, I understand Reason is a protege of a Walrus ...
@MajorRage said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@Kirwan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Toddy said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
I always thought Patty was cleared because his b sample was clean, rather than the b test being 'botched'. It's a pretty shocking fact to get wrong if he has.
I think the news reports at the time suggested that the A sample was botched by the lab.
Reason being Reason I guess.
Close to slander if he got it around the wrong way.
I'm sure Reason has own sources who have confirmed to him that this whole thing was a cover up.
In other news, I understand Reason is a protege of a Walrus ...
Reason just works from home in Wairarapa watching TV and writing stuff. Is he close to anything much to have actual sources? Doesn't strike me as an investigative type.
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@Kirwan said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@MajorRage said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
I'm sure the NZRFU will be informed, and if he's wrong, then legal action should occur.
I think the NZRU have an obligation to protect their players from these sort of smears. Absolutely should be legal action.
They never did anything any of the times muckrakers said players were poached or when likes of Phil Kearns said we cheated our way to the 2011 title . There’ll be no consequences for Reason I bet .
@jegga said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@Kirwan said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@MajorRage said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
I'm sure the NZRFU will be informed, and if he's wrong, then legal action should occur.
I think the NZRU have an obligation to protect their players from these sort of smears. Absolutely should be legal action.
They never did anything any of the times muckrakers said players were poached or when likes of Phil Kearns said we cheated our way to the 2011 title . There’ll be no consequences for Reason I bet .
I don't think thats the same. Poaching is more or less opinion and Kearns was just being Kearns.
The offical report we heard is that Patty's A sample was bull shit which was proved by the B sample. Reason is stating that "He failed a drugs test in France but was excused when the North American lab botched the 'B' sample." Which is the opposite.
So either the NZRFU is lying to cover him, or Reason is inaccurate in a libelous manner.
Both are scandal and both are worthy of follow up.
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[edit - split from another thread]
Anyone read the latest from Mark Reason? https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/110690533/mark-reason-akira-ioane-starts-world-cup-push-with-bruising-performance
I always thought Patty was cleared because his b sample was clean, rather than the b test being 'botched'. It's a pretty shocking fact to get wrong if he has.
"The Blues have struggled with their leadership in recent seasons and the appointment of Tuipulotu is not the way forward. He failed a drugs test in France but was excused when the North American lab botched the 'B' sample. It's not a good look for a Super Rugby captain"
@Toddy said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
[edit - split from another thread]
Anyone read the latest from Mark Reason? https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/110690533/mark-reason-akira-ioane-starts-world-cup-push-with-bruising-performance
I always thought Patty was cleared because his b sample was clean, rather than the b test being 'botched'. It's a pretty shocking fact to get wrong if he has.
"The Blues have struggled with their leadership in recent seasons and the appointment of Tuipulotu is not the way forward. He failed a drugs test in France but was excused when the North American lab botched the 'B' sample. It's not a good look for a Super Rugby captain"
Reason is a cock regardless.
Yes, I'm pretty sure you're right that it was reported that his B sample was negative.
And wasn't it post Chicago?
Always made me wonder what Irish roid rager he got mixed up with escaped due to incompetence of the lab.
Click bait piston wristed gibbon.
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@Kirwan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Toddy said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
I always thought Patty was cleared because his b sample was clean, rather than the b test being 'botched'. It's a pretty shocking fact to get wrong if he has.
I think the news reports at the time suggested that the A sample was botched by the lab.
Reason being Reason I guess.
Close to slander if he got it around the wrong way.
I'm sure Reason has own sources who have confirmed to him that this whole thing was a cover up.
In other news, I understand Reason is a protege of a Walrus ...
@MajorRage said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@Kirwan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Toddy said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
I always thought Patty was cleared because his b sample was clean, rather than the b test being 'botched'. It's a pretty shocking fact to get wrong if he has.
I think the news reports at the time suggested that the A sample was botched by the lab.
Reason being Reason I guess.
Close to slander if he got it around the wrong way.
I'm sure Reason has own sources who have confirmed to him that this whole thing was a cover up.
In other news, I understand Reason is a protege of a Walrus ...
I understand that para 1 is taking the piss ...
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@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
I'm sure the NZRFU will be informed, and if he's wrong, then legal action should occur.
@MajorRage said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
I'm sure the NZRFU will be informed, and if he's wrong, then legal action should occur.
Farking A
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Additionally, the testing was done in the USA, not in France. Supremely lazy hack work.
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/324206/wada-and-six-nations-demand-answers-on-tuipulotu
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My suggestion: Put Mark Reason and Tuipolotu in a ring and let's see who da man.
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@MajorRage said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@Kirwan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Toddy said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
I always thought Patty was cleared because his b sample was clean, rather than the b test being 'botched'. It's a pretty shocking fact to get wrong if he has.
I think the news reports at the time suggested that the A sample was botched by the lab.
Reason being Reason I guess.
Close to slander if he got it around the wrong way.
I'm sure Reason has own sources who have confirmed to him that this whole thing was a cover up.
In other news, I understand Reason is a protege of a Walrus ...
I understand that para 1 is taking the piss ...
@booboo said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@MajorRage said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@Kirwan said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Nepia said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@Toddy said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
I always thought Patty was cleared because his b sample was clean, rather than the b test being 'botched'. It's a pretty shocking fact to get wrong if he has.
I think the news reports at the time suggested that the A sample was botched by the lab.
Reason being Reason I guess.
Close to slander if he got it around the wrong way.
I'm sure Reason has own sources who have confirmed to him that this whole thing was a cover up.
In other news, I understand Reason is a protege of a Walrus ...
I understand that para 1 is taking the piss ...
Not really. It wouldn't surprise me if in conversation Jones and told Reason he thought the whole thing was a cover-up, typical NZ rugby etc etc ... and Reason has taken that as fact.
It's either that or Reason does have facts behind is view, in which case I think they should be exposed.
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@jegga said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@Kirwan said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@MajorRage said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
I'm sure the NZRFU will be informed, and if he's wrong, then legal action should occur.
I think the NZRU have an obligation to protect their players from these sort of smears. Absolutely should be legal action.
They never did anything any of the times muckrakers said players were poached or when likes of Phil Kearns said we cheated our way to the 2011 title . There’ll be no consequences for Reason I bet .
I don't think thats the same. Poaching is more or less opinion and Kearns was just being Kearns.
The offical report we heard is that Patty's A sample was bull shit which was proved by the B sample. Reason is stating that "He failed a drugs test in France but was excused when the North American lab botched the 'B' sample." Which is the opposite.
So either the NZRFU is lying to cover him, or Reason is inaccurate in a libelous manner.
Both are scandal and both are worthy of follow up.
@MajorRage said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@jegga said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@Kirwan said in Reason and Tuipulotu:
@MajorRage said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
@taniwharugby said in Alternative needed from the absolute crap of stuff.co.nz:
Treason is a cnut of the highest order, most knew that @MN5 I just mentioned your old mate again.
Hope someone takes him to task over his comments, but I bet they wont in this farked up (social) media world we live in now.
I'm sure the NZRFU will be informed, and if he's wrong, then legal action should occur.
I think the NZRU have an obligation to protect their players from these sort of smears. Absolutely should be legal action.
They never did anything any of the times muckrakers said players were poached or when likes of Phil Kearns said we cheated our way to the 2011 title . There’ll be no consequences for Reason I bet .
I don't think thats the same. Poaching is more or less opinion and Kearns was just being Kearns.
The offical report we heard is that Patty's A sample was bull shit which was proved by the B sample. Reason is stating that "He failed a drugs test in France but was excused when the North American lab botched the 'B' sample." Which is the opposite.
So either the NZRFU is lying to cover him, or Reason is inaccurate in a libelous manner.
Both are scandal and both are worthy of follow up.
It’s not the same but the NZRU did nothing , poaching isn’t a matter of opinion either . Multiple nh column writers accused of trying to poach Rupeni and even if trying to change the rules when we were doing the opposite. There were certainly grounds for libel there , nothing happened. At worst there’ll be an apology from his news outlet and he’ll return to his previous behaviour soon enough .
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TV broadcasts are subject to Broadcasting standards, which include being factually correct, surely there is something that governs clickbaiiters for a major 'news' outlet?
And broadcasting standards can be questioned by the general public, surely similar standards must apply here?
