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Blues 2019

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    FWIW worth Umaga announcing the squad name by name from last year...

    Shout outs to Leon at 4:00 and 7:00.

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      @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2019:

      It's been widely known Leon MacDonald had very little say in the squad.

      A 3rd string openside and a 5th string midfielder are your examples?

      Is it widely known? We have a quote in the press of MacDonald saying he had minimal say and Tana in the press saying he picked two guys on Leon's recommendation (who you don't seem to rate too much which doesn't particularly bode well).

      He is a first year coach and you inherit a squad, so yes you don't start with a blank slate. The appointment timing in November was unusual, but as I've pointed out before (and the Coventry interview you mention backs up) recruiting is largely done and dusted before ITM Cup season - so regardless if Rangi was appointed in July (which is traditional for non internal appointments) or November the change to the squad was minimal - especially considering he got two of his boys in with input on others I'm sure as part of the panel.

      Even 10 weeks into Super Rugby it's tough to see what available players Tana missed on last year that MacDonald would have secured? Manu is the biggest miss? OK.

      This isn't a situation like where Kirwan took over and senior pros like Woodcock were refusing to resign or where Umaga had to take over after future internationals Fekitoa, Naholo and Anscombe had been delisted (and management had not been proactive enough in working with the NZRU to potentially keep Luatua or Piatau).

      Are we supposed to give shit to Rangi for not recruiting Mo'unga to move to the Blues on the contract he just signed? We have to deal in reality and with the players that are genuinely available.

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      @rotated said in Blues 2019:

      @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2019:

      Even 10 weeks into Super Rugby it's tough to see what available players Tana missed on last year that MacDonald would have secured? Manu is the biggest miss? OK.

      3 more off the top of my head.

      Hooker
      Halfback
      Anyone but Collins

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      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

        @rotated said in Blues 2019:

        @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2019:

        Even 10 weeks into Super Rugby it's tough to see what available players Tana missed on last year that MacDonald would have secured? Manu is the biggest miss? OK.

        3 more off the top of my head.

        Hooker
        Halfback
        Anyone but Collins

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        @KiwiMurph

        That question was disingenuous because it ignores the damage already done. It's not as though everyone comes off contract and then gets re-signed every year.

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          @KiwiMurph

          That question was disingenuous because it ignores the damage already done. It's not as though everyone comes off contract and then gets re-signed every year.

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          @Duluth said in Blues 2019:

          @KiwiMurph

          That question was disingenuous because it ignores the damage already done. It's not as though everyone comes off contract and then gets re-signed every year.

          Not saying that, simply saying MacDonald is a first year coach unlike any other, if he took over in July or November the squad would be the same.

          As for Umaga I'm not sure what his major recruitment blunders were? I don't see any future ABs or even strong Super Rugby performers that slipped through his fingers?

          I guess year two of his tenure is a big one for MacDonald as year one he has no responsibility and after three years "the damage is already done". Needs to make some big signings in the coming weeks and I look forward to seeing them.

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          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

            @rotated said in Blues 2019:

            @KiwiMurph said in Blues 2019:

            Even 10 weeks into Super Rugby it's tough to see what available players Tana missed on last year that MacDonald would have secured? Manu is the biggest miss? OK.

            3 more off the top of my head.

            Hooker
            Halfback
            Anyone but Collins

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            @KiwiMurph Nock wasnt signed last year until almost end of M10 Cup...while I still think he has all the skills, something just ain't right with him mentally...I think Kitto would have been a better option given Nocks history with blues

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              @KiwiMurph Nock wasnt signed last year until almost end of M10 Cup...while I still think he has all the skills, something just ain't right with him mentally...I think Kitto would have been a better option given Nocks history with blues

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              @taniwharugby said in Blues 2019:

              while I still think he has all the skills, something just ain't right with him mentally

              At the very least Nock should be playing consistently well for Northland by now. Instead he has a game where he looks shit hot followed by flat games with dumb mistakes

              This is his fourth year of pro rugby. He still seems like a rookie

              I'd rather the Blues actually pick a rookie next year. It's better than hoping the 5th year will be Nocks year

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                @taniwharugby said in Blues 2019:

                while I still think he has all the skills, something just ain't right with him mentally

                At the very least Nock should be playing consistently well for Northland by now. Instead he has a game where he looks shit hot followed by flat games with dumb mistakes

                This is his fourth year of pro rugby. He still seems like a rookie

                I'd rather the Blues actually pick a rookie next year. It's better than hoping the 5th year will be Nocks year

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                @Duluth well as I said, I think he just isnt upto it mentally.

                Would have been good to see him in another environment but i expect his next stop will likely be overseas.

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                  Jack Goodhue got engaged last weekend. From social media, it looks like his fiancée is Auckland-based. Obviously most of his family is in Northland. A move north to the Blues for Jack Goodhue in 2020?

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                    Jack Goodhue got engaged last weekend. From social media, it looks like his fiancée is Auckland-based. Obviously most of his family is in Northland. A move north to the Blues for Jack Goodhue in 2020?

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                    @sparky said in Blues 2019:

                    Jack Goodhue got engaged last weekend. From social media, it looks like his fiancée is Auckland-based. Obviously most of his family is in Northland. A move north to the Blues for Jack Goodhue in 2020?

                    Lol

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                    • sparkyS sparky

                      Jack Goodhue got engaged last weekend. From social media, it looks like his fiancée is Auckland-based. Obviously most of his family is in Northland. A move north to the Blues for Jack Goodhue in 2020?

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                      @sparky he'd need to cut that fucking mullet.

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                      • sparkyS sparky

                        Jack Goodhue got engaged last weekend. From social media, it looks like his fiancée is Auckland-based. Obviously most of his family is in Northland. A move north to the Blues for Jack Goodhue in 2020?

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                        @sparky I remember the same reason ("his partner") being used with respect to Dan Carter and Beauden Barrett signing with the Blues. Still waiting ...

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                          hmm Crusaders or Blues..... yeah he won't be moving anytime soon.

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                          • sparkyS sparky

                            Jack Goodhue got engaged last weekend. From social media, it looks like his fiancée is Auckland-based. Obviously most of his family is in Northland. A move north to the Blues for Jack Goodhue in 2020?

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                            @sparky Wouldn’t put the House on that Logic

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                              Jack Goodhue got engaged last weekend. From social media, it looks like his fiancée is Auckland-based. Obviously most of his family is in Northland. A move north to the Blues for Jack Goodhue in 2020?

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                              @sparky Absolutely.

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                                @Nogusta said in Blues 2019:

                                Zarn Sullivan brother of Chiefs Bailyn Sullivan.

                                I see he's playing for College Rifles now. Think he'll play for Auckland this year?

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                                @Tim Pretty sure he will. I believe hes on a full M10 contract this year. Based on his club form don't be surprised if he at some stage of the M10 season he overtakes Plummer to become the first choice 10! You heard it here first 🙂

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                                  So is that a line through Duffie's name then? He was extremely ineffectual last night.

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                                    So is that a line through Duffie's name then? He was extremely ineffectual last night.

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                                    @Kirwan said in Blues 2019:

                                    So is that a line through Duffie's name then? He was extremely ineffectual last night.

                                    Probably

                                    Other outside backs are returning from injury, rest and suspension. So it’s hard to see him getting another chance to redeem himself

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                                      Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi has re-signed with the Chiefs so he won't be heading north of the Bombays any time soon.

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                                        Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi has re-signed with the Chiefs so he won't be heading north of the Bombays any time soon.

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                                        @Yeetyaah Chiefs caught wind of what was going on..not sure if it’s a smart decision on his part especially if Weber is your number 1 halfback and the coach is still Cooper..good luck to him,but it’s a dumb move on his part..would have been the starting halfback at the Blues..

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                                          @Yeetyaah Chiefs caught wind of what was going on..not sure if it’s a smart decision on his part especially if Weber is your number 1 halfback and the coach is still Cooper..good luck to him,but it’s a dumb move on his part..would have been the starting halfback at the Blues..

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                                          @Steven-Harris said in Blues 2019:

                                          @Yeetyaah Chiefs caught wind of what was going on..not sure if it’s a smart decision on his part especially if Weber is your number 1 halfback and the coach is still Cooper..good luck to him,but it’s a dumb move on his part..would have been the starting halfback at the Blues..

                                          Why is not going to a hopelessly run franchise not a good move? Blues are yet to prove they are out of their funk (even if they do look better)

                                          Word is that Cooper won't last.

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