Hurricanes 2020
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@SammyC said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Winger said in Hurricanes 2020:
Plumtree has a liking for plodders.
So Canes are unlikely he will aim high at first five. Maybe try to turn Fletcher Smith into a super rugby first. A lost cause but still. JGB had a VG game vs the Blues but he's too inconsistent. The issue is if JB leaves as well its not a good look for the Canes. Lossing two ABs who stay in NZ but leave for another team. I wonder if Plumtree is rubbing a certian type of player up the wrong way. Jordie looks a slightly moody type and maybe he just doesn't know how to handle these types of players. I remember reading somewhere that Tana wasn't too impressed with the way Plumtree (or at least I think it was Plumtree) talked to players
ok found it
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/archive/national-news/35183/Umaga-sticks-the-boot-in
Umaga also tackles respected coaches John Plumtree and Bryan Williams, saying Plumtree enjoyed humiliating players in front of teammates and that Williams was not "up to speed" with the modern game.To be fair Tana whinged and complained about a lot of people in his book.
... he ranks up there with Norm Hewitt in the biggest cry baby list.
Plum did an excellent job in SA for the Sharks & has a god rap in Ireland where he made significant improvements to their pack
Tana did all right in 3rd tier of rugby
But he's been garbage at Super Rugby level to the point he is now a glorified water boy
Tana should be grateful for being employed period
@Jaguares4real
Plumtree would be an excellent assistant AB coach. He just lacks a bit (and hes almost there) as a head coach. And this slight lack means he's always close but never nails it. Its a shame really. Lam is one example. He prefers him to Goosen. Goosen is a great defender. Lam is crap. Both are good on attack. And its these types of small weird decisions that makes a difference between winning. And not quite winning.
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@pukunui said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Jaguares4real Can you shut the f... up about the bloody Jaguares? Go start your own thread about how much you love them. You could even list all the Arg rugby posters you have on your bedroom wall in there.
I even thought of a title for it.
Jaguares. To infinity and beyond!
They thrashed the Canes by a massive 8 points though.
@Winger said in Hurricanes 2020:
@pukunui said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Jaguares4real Can you shut the f... up about the bloody Jaguares? Go start your own thread about how much you love them. You could even list all the Arg rugby posters you have on your bedroom wall in there.
I even thought of a title for it.
Jaguares. To infinity and beyond!
They thrashed the Canes by a massive 8 points though.
Congrats to the Canes who scored a consolation try in 81st minute to give final score a flattering look
28-13 was more reflective of the dominance the Jagaures showcased in the game
Here are some key pointers as some game details might have eluded your memory
Stevie Wonder would have been more accomplished with his lineout throws than Aumua
Laumape getting trampled in the lead up to a Jaguares try in 2nd half
J Marshall being god awful Canes would have been better with 14 men
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@Winger said in Hurricanes 2020:
@pukunui said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Jaguares4real Can you shut the f... up about the bloody Jaguares? Go start your own thread about how much you love them. You could even list all the Arg rugby posters you have on your bedroom wall in there.
I even thought of a title for it.
Jaguares. To infinity and beyond!
They thrashed the Canes by a massive 8 points though.
Congrats to the Canes who scored a consolation try in 81st minute to give final score a flattering look
28-13 was more reflective of the dominance the Jagaures showcased in the game
Here are some key pointers as some game details might have eluded your memory
Stevie Wonder would have been more accomplished with his lineout throws than Aumua
Laumape getting trampled in the lead up to a Jaguares try in 2nd half
J Marshall being god awful Canes would have been better with 14 men
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I hope that McClutchie is going to have a great season for the Magpies again this year. And that the Hurricanes selectors will notice and sign him. The Canes need to develop a good young 10, not just sign one from outside to fill the gap left by BB.
I wonder whether Mitch Hunt is really going to the Highlanders ...
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I hope that McClutchie is going to have a great season for the Magpies again this year. And that the Hurricanes selectors will notice and sign him. The Canes need to develop a good young 10, not just sign one from outside to fill the gap left by BB.
I wonder whether Mitch Hunt is really going to the Highlanders ...
@Stargazer McClutchie's problem is that he isn't a recognised goal-kicker which probably went against him for the NZ U20s too. Sure, there isn't a rule that the 1st 5 needs to be the goal-kicker but more often than not they are. Adding that skill would help him.
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@Stargazer McClutchie's problem is that he isn't a recognised goal-kicker which probably went against him for the NZ U20s too. Sure, there isn't a rule that the 1st 5 needs to be the goal-kicker but more often than not they are. Adding that skill would help him.
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@Bovidae He's been kicking at goal during the club rugby season, this year; I think also during the preseason games ( @Number-10 can you confirm?). I think the kicking duties for the Magpies will be shared between him and Toala.
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2020:
@Bovidae He's been kicking at goal during the club rugby season, this year; I think also during the preseason games ( @Number-10 can you confirm?). I think the kicking duties for the Magpies will be shared between him and Toala.
Yep, McClutchie kicked three conversions in both pre-season matches this year against Ta$man and Manawatu.
Was also the top try scorer for the HB Under 19 team last year with 8 - 4 in the Hurricanes tournament (3 matches) and 4 in the Jock Hobbs tournament ( 3 matches) and shared the goalkicking with Danny Toala.
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Reports say the Canes are looking offshore at potential BB replacements also. Lima Sopoaga is one name that is around. I wonder if they might look at that Kiwi 10 playing for the Sunwolves as well? I know he can kick goals but am unaware if he is any good. Lima will have to stop eating all the pies if he wants to be back in super rugby shape
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Reports say the Canes are looking offshore at potential BB replacements also. Lima Sopoaga is one name that is around. I wonder if they might look at that Kiwi 10 playing for the Sunwolves as well? I know he can kick goals but am unaware if he is any good. Lima will have to stop eating all the pies if he wants to be back in super rugby shape
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes 2020:
@canefan Hayden Parker is already under contract at Kobelco Steelers.
Yeah. The report said they may be about to sign Aaron Cruden, and that might motivate them to release him. All big ifs
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Lima Sopoaga has been dreadful for Wasps. Not worth a Super contract. Seems lazy and disinterested. He wouldn't fit into Hurricnaes team culture. Parker is locked in at the Sunwolves. Aaron Cruden coming back home would make more sense.
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@Stargazer Not always.
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Looking at all the NZ franchises, only the Blues have now filled all their first five-spots. Assuming the Highlanders will re-sign Josh Ioane, and have signed Mitch Hunt (which still hasn't been confirmed), they don't need another 10 either. The Crusaders will need at least one to replace Hunt, but I suspect they'll promote Burke to the squad (despite being unconvincing for the NZU20s).
The Chiefs should re-sign Debreczeni, but shouldn't make the same mistake and sign Dmac as a first-five. He's a fullback covering 10 at best. So they need two more. Maybe they'll re-sign Falcon, and for lack of other options, MMac, but they might look at alternatives (they should).
That makes the situation at the Canes the most urgent - with only a very average Jackson Garden-Bachop signed and Fletcher Smith still to re-sign as far as we know (would the Chiefs chase him?). The Canes may still have to compete with the Chiefs for a signature though. There aren't many options in NZ, other than young rookies or other players who've never made the step up.
The Highlanders have used Hollinshead as injury cover. Maybe they'll consider him.
Talented rookies with Mitre 10 Cup experience I can think of are Lincoln McClutchie and Willi Havili. Maybe someone can confirm, but Kaleb Trask is first and foremost a fullback, isn't he, although he can play first five? The Chiefs might already have locked him in, anyway.Of the other 2018 Mitre 10 Cup first fives, the Turbos have lost Jade Te Rure to Yorkshire Carnegie. Beaudein Waaka has moved to Oz and will probably play for a spot in the Melbourne Rebels (he was part of their WTG).
At the moment, I can't think of any other first five-eighths, who may be talented or experienced enough for the step up to SR. Despite all his injuries, the Canes will be hoping Cruden is keen to return, or that Hayden Parker is released from his Japanese contract, but the pickings are slim.
If one thing is clear, the SR franchises must put a lot of development effort in young first five-eights. That won't help them much during the 2020 season, but maybe the following seasons.
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Danny Toala played at 10 for his club side as they won their semi-final over the weekend. He made a decent fist of it, with good tactical kicking. I would want to see him play a few games in that position in Mitre 10 Cup though before saying that was a option at Super level.
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Looking at all the NZ franchises, only the Blues have now filled all their first five-spots. Assuming the Highlanders will re-sign Josh Ioane, and have signed Mitch Hunt (which still hasn't been confirmed), they don't need another 10 either. The Crusaders will need at least one to replace Hunt, but I suspect they'll promote Burke to the squad (despite being unconvincing for the NZU20s).
The Chiefs should re-sign Debreczeni, but shouldn't make the same mistake and sign Dmac as a first-five. He's a fullback covering 10 at best. So they need two more. Maybe they'll re-sign Falcon, and for lack of other options, MMac, but they might look at alternatives (they should).
That makes the situation at the Canes the most urgent - with only a very average Jackson Garden-Bachop signed and Fletcher Smith still to re-sign as far as we know (would the Chiefs chase him?). The Canes may still have to compete with the Chiefs for a signature though. There aren't many options in NZ, other than young rookies or other players who've never made the step up.
The Highlanders have used Hollinshead as injury cover. Maybe they'll consider him.
Talented rookies with Mitre 10 Cup experience I can think of are Lincoln McClutchie and Willi Havili. Maybe someone can confirm, but Kaleb Trask is first and foremost a fullback, isn't he, although he can play first five? The Chiefs might already have locked him in, anyway.Of the other 2018 Mitre 10 Cup first fives, the Turbos have lost Jade Te Rure to Yorkshire Carnegie. Beaudein Waaka has moved to Oz and will probably play for a spot in the Melbourne Rebels (he was part of their WTG).
At the moment, I can't think of any other first five-eighths, who may be talented or experienced enough for the step up to SR. Despite all his injuries, the Canes will be hoping Cruden is keen to return, or that Hayden Parker is released from his Japanese contract, but the pickings are slim.
If one thing is clear, the SR franchises must put a lot of development effort in young first five-eights. That won't help them much during the 2020 season, but maybe the following seasons.
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@Stargazer Fletcher Smith signed a 2 year deal last year so he’s locked in next year.
@mikey07 Do you have an (online) source for that, because I've never seen any contract duration published?
Edit: just found an article on Stuff. Not really the kind of source I'm looking for, but since I can't find anything on the Hurricanes website, that will have to do.
So the Hurricanes will only need to sign one experienced first five-eighth. That will have to be a damn good one.
