TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)

Rapido

BTW, the sanction if a penalty or freekick is taken from the wrong place is it must be re-taken correctly.

I've raged on here about quick-taps taken quickly from wrong spot resulting in soft fake tries (e.g. when Parsons was retiring and still had his back to play in a Blues match v Canes). But the sanction is only that it is re-taken from correct mark.

So Beauden should theoretically get 2 goes at it, the second from the correct and easier angle .....

taniwharugby

@Rapido so he shoulda told the ref after he missed he had snuck it forward a metre, and had another go...can you imagine the rage then hahahaha

Nevorian

I recall Lima Sopoaga sneaking a couple of metres in from touch a couple of times

reprobate

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

Ok. Have eventually watched the game.

Not watching for detail, just watched like I'd normally do, just knowing the result beforehand.

Thoughts:

Me tired. Me piddly. But ...

I'd rather be the All Blacks than the Bokke after that game on the weekend.

Bokke sent their A team and scrambled a draw. And were really really lucky to scramble a draw.

Yeah that's about it.

Watching without the the impediment of worrying about the result the ABs were far better than the Bokke. All the Jaaps had was hoping they'd stay in touch . Which OK they did this time. But is "trying not to lose" a better tactic than "trying to win"? I think they got lucky on Saturday, I just don't think they realise it.

Some further some thoughts:

Reiko needs to sharpen up

SBW is our best 12 ( unpopular opinion maybe ... but the way he attracts defence is unique. Am a massive ALB fanboi, but if you shut down the SBW hate there is a real something about him that is quite exciting).

Todd is the third best 7

I like the Bo'unga combination

Reiko needs to sharpen up (did i say that?)

Hemopo is a better option than Fifita

Pretty much most options, Jacobsen, Papalii, Hemopo, Frizell, are better than Fifita

ASmith is our best 9

TTT is better than Weber. Selectors are pandering to popular opinion given Weber's "obviousness'.

Still think we take more away from that game than they do.

I think it's some consolation that in the loss to Ireland and that draw the ABs played like utter poo for long periods yet were still in the Ireland game and should have beaten the Saffas. If this team clicks then someone is going to get badly fooked up. Probably is getting them to click. They haven't done that for a while and certainly not consistently.

being in contention to beat a team that hadn't beaten us for 100 years? there's no consolation in that.
i do take consolation in the draw that we were the better team despite not being able to catch a cold, while playing a completely new game plan that is pretty exciting. some very disappointing efforts from individuals though, particularly the captain and the best winger in the world.

Rancid Schnitzel

@reprobate said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

@booboo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

Ok. Have eventually watched the game.

Not watching for detail, just watched like I'd normally do, just knowing the result beforehand.

Thoughts:

Me tired. Me piddly. But ...

I'd rather be the All Blacks than the Bokke after that game on the weekend.

Bokke sent their A team and scrambled a draw. And were really really lucky to scramble a draw.

Yeah that's about it.

Watching without the the impediment of worrying about the result the ABs were far better than the Bokke. All the Jaaps had was hoping they'd stay in touch . Which OK they did this time. But is "trying not to lose" a better tactic than "trying to win"? I think they got lucky on Saturday, I just don't think they realise it.

Some further some thoughts:

Reiko needs to sharpen up

SBW is our best 12 ( unpopular opinion maybe ... but the way he attracts defence is unique. Am a massive ALB fanboi, but if you shut down the SBW hate there is a real something about him that is quite exciting).

Todd is the third best 7

I like the Bo'unga combination

Reiko needs to sharpen up (did i say that?)

Hemopo is a better option than Fifita

Pretty much most options, Jacobsen, Papalii, Hemopo, Frizell, are better than Fifita

ASmith is our best 9

TTT is better than Weber. Selectors are pandering to popular opinion given Weber's "obviousness'.

Still think we take more away from that game than they do.

I think it's some consolation that in the loss to Ireland and that draw the ABs played like utter poo for long periods yet were still in the Ireland game and should have beaten the Saffas. If this team clicks then someone is going to get badly fooked up. Probably is getting them to click. They haven't done that for a while and certainly not consistently.

being in contention to beat a team that hadn't beaten us for 100 years? there's no consolation in that.
i do take consolation in the draw that we were the better team despite not being able to catch a cold, while playing a completely new game plan that is pretty exciting. some very disappointing efforts from individuals though, particularly the captain and the best winger in the world.

No, being in contention against one of the best sides in the world RIGHT NOW who threw everything at the ABs, including the kitchen sink. We were shit for large parts of that game but still could have snatched a draw at the end. Ireland had nothing more to give, we had much more imho. Ireland's record against NZ over the past 100 years is completely irrelevant.

taniwharugby

@Rancid-Schnitzel not to mention if you want to punish yourself, go back and watch that game, we were not playing our usual patterns (granted Ireland were a huge factor in that) maybe it was the seeds to the plan they are aiming towards now?

Rancid Schnitzel

@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

@Rancid-Schnitzel not to mention if you want to punish yourself, go back and watch that game, we were not playing our usual patterns (granted Ireland were a huge factor in that) maybe it was the seeds to the plan they are aiming towards now?

No thanks. One time was enough!

Brodie was also terrible in that game. Dropped a heap of pill. Iirc Read was also very ordinary.

No Quarter

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

@Rancid-Schnitzel not to mention if you want to punish yourself, go back and watch that game, we were not playing our usual patterns (granted Ireland were a huge factor in that) maybe it was the seeds to the plan they are aiming towards now?

No thanks. One time was enough!

Brodie was also terrible in that game. Dropped a heap of pill. Iirc Read was also very ordinary.

I remember Read dropping an easy one after a charge down with the try line open, would have been a critical blow if he’d held on to it.

Yeetyaah

@Bones Yeah he's a unit. Bumped into him at a Chiefs game in the crowd and had a yarn. Nice dude. Massive unit with a big ass noggin.

taniwharugby

To add to the much ado about nothing file...this popped up on social media...under Eddie England steal approx 5.55677% more metres than anyone else.

Rancid Schnitzel

@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

To add to the much ado about nothing file...this popped up on social media...under Eddie England steal approx 5.55677% more metres than anyone else.

The outrage over this has been absolutely ridiculous. I reckon if you trawl through most games you'll find examples of this. Those screaming the loudest might want to tone it down before they look like even bigger idiots.

Siam

@Rancid-Schnitzel agreed
Can't wait till a last minute match winning try from a lineout happens and it's revealed the hooker had his toes on the line while throwing in. We must be due for that tempest soon

taniwharugby

@Siam they havent cared about that since, well, since Foxy...

MOst hookers have thier feet a good inch or 2 over the line now.

mariner4life

@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

@Siam they havent cared about that since, well, since Foxy...

MOst hookers have thier feet a good inch or 2 over the line now.

look at where a hotly contested 2-ball is caught in a lineout. It's certainly not 5m from the touch line

taniwharugby

@mariner4life I was trying to point that out to a ref a couple of weeks back as the opposition were jumping in front of our ball and stopping the ball going 5m....

Machpants

I thought the passing stats were interesting, at the least

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/114643062/all-blacks-passing-stats-reveal-how-aaron-smith-changed-moungabarrett-plan

Billy Webb

@Siam said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

@Rancid-Schnitzel agreed
Can't wait till a last minute match winning try from a lineout happens and it's revealed the hooker had his toes on the line while throwing in. We must be due for that tempest soon

@mariner4life said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

look at where a hotly contested 2-ball is caught in a lineout. It's certainly not 5m from the touch line

What irks me is that the above 2 examples are laws of the game.
But somehow, they have become to be considered unimportant. Like feeding a scrum straight.

One could argue - not really a biggie - let the game flow and who cares about the small technicalities.

But sure as nuts, Siam's prediction will come true. Maybe even in the RWC.
Teams will transgress these rules all match long, but at some point a TMO is going to review a try and say "oh, err hang on. The guy throwing in the ball wasn't behind the line" And he will be completely justified, and obligated in making that call. If he doesn't, he is equally going to be pilloried.

You just have to hope that call doesn't go against your team I guess. But it will come.

TeWaio

@Billy-Webb Totally agree with this. If they don't want to police it, then relax the laws of the game. But leaving this half-in half-out status quo is the recipe for disaster in a tight game.

Like an overthrows boundary where it comes off the batsman's bat...

canefan

@TeWaio said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

@Billy-Webb Totally agree with this. If they don't want to police it, then relax the laws of the game. But leaving this half-in half-out status quo is the recipe for disaster in a tight game.

Like an overthrows boundary where it comes off the batsman's bat...

Too soon

TeWaio

@canefan said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

@TeWaio said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):

@Billy-Webb Totally agree with this. If they don't want to police it, then relax the laws of the game. But leaving this half-in half-out status quo is the recipe for disaster in a tight game.

Like an overthrows boundary where it comes off the batsman's bat...

Too soon

I still wake up at 4am, bathed in sweat, screaming "STOKES DIDN'T EVEN WANT THE FOUR RUNS"

The Silver Fern

TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)