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Winger

Agree with the last point. 2 different ferns would clash at rugby matches.
 
Whereas the Red Peak and fern flag goes very well together.
 
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Itâ€s just a bunch of triangles.
If you turn it upside down and squint it looks like (insert icon/logo/motif/sports shirt of your choice). 
Itâ€s too Maori / Pakeha. 
It shouldnâ€t need to be explained. It needs a picture.
 
Like the four selected flag submissions, and any other piece of design, the Red Peak flag has itâ€s critics. The above statements may not make for the best arguments, but people may simply not feel a connection to it, and I understand that completely.
Iâ€ve followed the flag debate with a mild interest, with the plan of voting for the status quo, it all being a huge waste of our collective cash. The â€˜chosen 4â€ only cemented my thoughts on that, looking cluttered and unpolished visually, and from a design point of view being a nightmare to reproduce and scale. No reflection on the designers and I congratulate them on their success, these being essentially first concepts (concerning considering they may also be finals).
Any new flag would need to be one of the worldâ€s best to sway me, something that says we as a nation have grown up and are proud to be front and centre on the world stage.
 
<img height="188" src="http://rickdavidson.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/tukutuku.jpg" width="161" alt="tukutuku.jpg">
When I first viewed the â€˜Red Peakâ€ design in passing I was mildly impressed. This based on an opinion the whole thing was a farce, and that the chosen designs had destroyed the whole process anyway. But in the design I immediately saw a section of the Union Jack â€“ arranged into a Maori tukutuku design. Ok, clever. Then the other elements began to soak through.
The white stripe of a long white cloud. A snow covered range, volcanic. Night and day, the first to see the dawn.
An upward arrow of a thriving nation, of winners, of progressive thinking. Bold, bright, powerful.
After reading a few comments from some struggling with the simple triangles, I put together the above Red Peak gif animation to express some of the elements I myself saw. But there is of course more to this design than a mountain range and wharenui.
 
 
As a designer, I began to see how this flag would play out in designs, small icons, banners. Ok, very well. Simple to create, strong colours, easily reduced. The triangle is literally a shape of strength, unbreakable. The centered design forces your eye in and up. Alongside other flags of the world which most often travel sideways, it draws your eye.
The designs of the selected fern and star flags are impossible to draw from scratch and reduce to a muddy blur. The black koru is, well unfortunately, a black whirlpool of death.
 
 
I love the Silver Fern black flag. That will always be a part of NZ culture. It is not on our flag, yet still firmly embedded as an icon of our nation. There are very few that would vote for a black national flag but as a design, beautiful. My fear is that by including another variation of this in our national flag, we would dilute the stark silver on black flag itself.
So how would these flags sit next to this wonderful icon of ours in a crowd. For me, a different style of fern on another flag looks like a misprint and would hurt the fern as a single entity. While the Red Peak compliments and enhances itâ€s complex design.
 
<img src="http://rickdavidson.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/pairs1.jpg" alt="pairs1.jpg">

canefan

Firstly I like the story of the dawn flag and quite like the simplicity. I think a design like that could grow on people and in a few years become increasingly accepted. But Winger you are blinded by your own opinion. Apart from the Blue in the upper right corner it is all but identical save for slight difference in the geometry of the triangles

taniwharugby

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Its similar but no more.
 
 
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There's none so blind as those who will not see

canefan

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Billy Tell

Don't mind saying I'll be voting for change. Would vote for anything else, basically (within reason). Did find though that the "Red Peak" design not being so original after all was extremely amusing.
 
I live in a country that likes to fly their flags, but I wouldn't be caught dead flying a flag that is based on a colonial relic template and is confused constantly with Australia's. It was bad enough living in Ireland for a number of years, and explaining 5 times a day that "no that is a NZ accent".
 
I think the attached image says it all for me really
 
<img src="https://yournz.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/flagscommonwealth.jpg" alt="flagscommonwealth.jpg">

infidel

Billy Tell

Yeah, saw that. Did she choose to put on the flag, or did someone put it on her? I really hope the flag doesn't become an issue for the ABs, someone in victory trying to force the current or any of the new options onto the players. Unless it's the AB flag, in which case work away.

dogmeat

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You don't say?

No Quarter

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Yeah, saw that. Did she choose to put on the flag, or did someone put it on her? I really hope the flag doesn't become an issue for the ABs, someone in victory trying to force the current or any of the new options onto the players. Unless it's the AB flag, in which case work away.
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The ABs have their own flag, which is copyrighted.
 
I don't know why you would take anything from her wearing our current flag. It is our current flag afterall. I don't suppose she organised putting this massive flag behind her at the presentation:
 
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taniwharugby

unless she knew she was going to win NQ and was all a cunning plan to show her opinion..maybe she should be censored as well, like the AB's as she may unduly influence peoples opinions!

WillieTheWaiter

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I've run out of likes , that was gold though. I can't believe anyone would buy a red peak. It'll be something find every now and then stashed somewhere in your house and you'll feel the same way about as you do the photos your mum has of you as a teenager with a mullet.
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I make sure when I see pics like that when I'm visiting mates parents house I get a snap and store it away for future use. Here's a good example.
 
apologies for digressing. carry on with whatever bollicks was being sprouted.
 
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taniwharugby

'mates' riiight, that looks more like you ;)

Donsteppa

Could we have an option to just abolish flags altogether?
 
Would save a whole lot of angst.

red terror

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I don't know why you would take anything from her wearing our current flag.
 
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I wouldn't read too much in to it. But I'll do it anyway. She's regularly characterized in international press reports as "South Korean-born New Zealander." I think she's communicating through the flag that she's a Kiwi. Simple as that.

canefan

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Donsteppa" data-cid="515611" data-time="1442187347">Could we have an option to just abolish flags altogether? 
 
Would save a whole lot of angst.</blockquote>You think this is bad Don, wait until we try to change the anthem

Donsteppa

I'll take a very long overseas holiday that year.

taniwharugby

just change the Anthem to Ka Mate!

Hooroo

I genuinally would prefer they change the anthem first before the flag. We really do have the dreariest versions! God Defend NZ and God save the queen which comes in at a close second

Donsteppa

Hooroo!!!!!! No! Not another 22 page thread!! :)
 
... will they have a song writer on the panel?

Kirwan

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I genuinally would prefer they change the anthem first before the flag. We really do have the dreariest versions! God Defend NZ and God save the queen which comes in at a close second
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Slice of Heaven. Just to have everyone singing the dah, dah, dah bit.

The Silver Fern

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