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<p>'mates' riiight, that looks more like you ;)</p>
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<p>I don't know why you would take anything from her wearing our current flag.</p>
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<p>I wouldn't read too much in to it. But I'll do it anyway. She's regularly characterized in international press reports as "South Korean-born New Zealander." I think she's communicating through the flag that she's a Kiwi. Simple as that.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Donsteppa" data-cid="515611" data-time="1442187347"><p>Could we have an option to just abolish flags altogether?<br>
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<p>just change the Anthem to Ka Mate!</p>
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<p>I genuinally would prefer they change the anthem first before the flag. We really do have the dreariest versions! God Defend NZ and God save the queen which comes in at a close second</p>
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<p>I genuinally would prefer they change the anthem first before the flag. We really do have the dreariest versions! God Defend NZ and God save the queen which comes in at a close second</p>
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<p>I never thought it was that bad to be honest, prefer the maori version though. I can't remember ever singing god save the Queen though.</p> -
<p>Brilliant by Key I must say. He's said he'd add a 5th flag (ie red peak) if Labour support the move. Your move Labour...</p>
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<p>Brilliant by Key I must say. He's said he'd add a 5th flag (ie red peak) if Labour support the move. Your move Labour...</p>
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<p>Is Little as bad as he comes across in this article</p>
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<p>John has made a fair offer and then Little comes across as a complete fool. Playing a childish political games. Just agree to adding the 5th flag and then lets have the vote. The choice of an alternative flag must come first as then people know what they are voting for in a keep the flag vote</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/284190/a-flutter-of-hope-for-red-peak'>http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/284190/a-flutter-of-hope-for-red-peak</a></p>
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<p>Mr Key said there would have to be agreement from the whole Parliament.</p>
<p>"And if Labour want to publicly come out and support the process and the change, that it's an appropriate thing to do and argue that it's an appropriate thing to do... then we might, but that hasn't been what they've done so far."</p>
<p>Labour Party leader Andrew Little said John Key did not need Labour's support to add the Red Peak design to the flag referendum.</p>
<p>He said John Key wanted broad support for purely political reasons, not because he needed it.</p>
<p>"I'm prepared to support what he wants provided he changes the order of the questions in the referendum, <span style="color:#ff0000;">providing he makes the first referendum 'Do you want a flag change or not?</span>', and then then if the question is answered positively, then we're going to choose the flag that we want.</p>
<p>"That's what a lot of New Zealanders want, they're telling us they are concerned about the flawed process."</p>
<p><span style="color:#ff0000;">Mr Little said personally he was keen on the Red Peak design.</span></p>
<p>Mr Key said it was not just about the Red Peak option, it's about the whole process.</p>
<p>"I'm not just going to play games over one thing, if they're going to actually honour their policy and go out there and say, we now support a free vote, we're going to participate, we'll be fully engaged and we'll stop all this mindless bagging, on political grounds, and have a proper debate, then yeah we'll see how it goes."</p>
<p>He said a law change would be required to add the flag to the referendum, and New Zealand First was totally opposed to any law change, so he would not require its support.</p>
<p>Mr Key said if there was broad political support to change the law, then he could consider it.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Winger" data-cid="515725" data-time="1442223560"><p>Is Little as bad as he comes across in this article<br>
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John has made a fair offer and then Little comes across as a complete fool. Playing a childish political games. Just agree to adding the 5th flag and then lets have the vote. The choice of an alternative flag must come first as then people know what they are voting for in a keep the flag vote</p></blockquote>Just like the early opening story of the RWC the right offers a seemingly reasonable proposition and given enough rope the forces on the left have been left looking petty -
<p>I've already said I'd vote for pretty much any new flag, including red peak. But John Key has nicely called Little's bluff. He knows Labour are opposed to Key himself not the flag. So this little offer puts them in a bit of a pickle. He's right though, lots of people poo-pooing the process, sniping from the sidelines, then all of a sudden rallying behind a flag that the due process didn't choose...but if they really want that flag, then they will need to agree to change the law through parliament. Key is totally right imo that he can't let social media make him add an extra flag, especially as he is not actually on the flag committee. As for the idea of first asking whether you want a change or not, that is patently stupid - you are asking people to choose between the flag they know, and a mysterious but as yet unannounced flag.</p>
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<p>Red peak petition. Over 45,000 now. Vote to support NZ'ers having a real alternative to a fern flag</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-john-key-red-peaks-for-new-zealand-flag'>https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-john-key-red-peaks-for-new-zealand-flag</a></p>
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<p>I'm confident that if it is added as the 5th flag and people get to see the flag flying outside it will get good support</p>
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There is no way I'd vote on that. Send the petition instead to the opposition MPs to support a legal change to the process. But that isn't what they really want is it? Anyway I'm going to join the rest of the forum in leaving you to your "red peak" crusade there winger. The topic gets a bit boring quickly.
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Yup Peak Engineering already using the design is a deal breaker. We can't be the country that adopted the logo of a company to use as our flag, no matter how nice the explanation of it may be.<br><br>
If they are going to add another flag I'd much prefer it to be Silver Fern on black.
