v Hawkes Bay
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I guess another positive is that we have Olsen, Goodhue, Robinson, Matich, Jacobson, Ranger, Hyland missing, all who are probable starters.
Shame the season is all but gone before we are likely to get any of them back.
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@Nepia said in v Hawkes Bay:
@J77 said in v Hawkes Bay:
Only has one arm like him too.
There's a lot of discussion about his one arm in the HB's thread on the match ... I expect looking at it from a different view to yours.
Watching it live at the ground it’s hard to see the little intricacies that he’s blowing penalties for and it comes across as a shit showing by the ref, but I guess the TV replay will show exactly why he seemed to have one arm.
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@J77 I think the YC was harsh, 8 mins in the 2nd spell, and he gives him a card for something done in the 1st half, refs never remember that far back, more so most often the break 'resets' things anyway.
I wish Nock would back himself, he is too ponderous, he is bloody quick, but rarely does he test the defence with his running game, and then there is his positioning, one ruck in particular, hard on our line, and he is set behind our forwards (about a metre or so behind the actual lone) as if he is expecting a ball he needs to clear...unsure if he wasnt aware of where on the field he was or he thought we were going to win the turnover (which it looked clear we weren't)
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@J77 said in v Hawkes Bay:
@Nepia said in v Hawkes Bay:
@J77 said in v Hawkes Bay:
Only has one arm like him too.
There's a lot of discussion about his one arm in the HB's thread on the match ... I expect looking at it from a different view to yours.
Watching it live at the ground it’s hard to see the little intricacies that he’s blowing penalties for and it comes across as a shit showing by the ref, but I guess the TV replay will show exactly why he seemed to have one arm.
Hmmm, I guess view is the wrong word - we thought his one arm was favouring Northland, especially so in the first half.
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@taniwharugby yeah it’s weird with Nock, I don’t know if he realises how much potential he actually has. He needs to push himself further I reckon.
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@J77 said in v Hawkes Bay:
If we actually sit back and try and watch it neutrally the blinkers will come off.
good luck with that.
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@taniwharugby said in v Hawkes Bay:
@J77 said in v Hawkes Bay:
If we actually sit back and try and watch it neutrally the blinkers will come off.
good luck with that.
Yep exactly! Impossible
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There is some talent there but not the mentality
I mention it during the Blues season and Northland fans get all defensive.. then you guys say the same shit during the NPC
4 SR seasons. This is his 5th NPC season. Yet the same complaints keep coming up. How long can you have ‘potential’?
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@Duluth most fans get defensive when they feel people are unfairly criticising players from thier teams...
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It’s the same criticism
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@Duluth and same issue with others...Akira is a prime example, same issues, same criticisms, same defences, how long can he have potential?
Although pretty sure Nock copped plenty of shit from Northland fans in his time for the Blues, not just this year too.
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@Duluth Oh look I agree, but I believe it won’t take much for him to flick a switch mentally..whether he wants to or not is another story.
We’ve had nothing but rocks and diamonds for five years from him. Just needs to stop holding back and put the foot on the throttle!
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That example doesn't make any sense. I was just laughing at how the criticism is the same but it gets forgotten by some fans when we are talking about SR contracts
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@J77 said in v Hawkes Bay:
@Duluth Oh look I agree, but I believe it won’t take much for him to flick a switch mentally..whether he wants to or not is another story.
Is he capable of flicking that switch? That's the question I have. I have doubts over the mental side of his game..
I'll repeat what I've said at least 3 years in a row. He's contracted to the Blues next year, I hope he proves me wrong
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@Duluth said in v Hawkes Bay:
@J77 said in v Hawkes Bay:
@Duluth Oh look I agree, but I believe it won’t take much for him to flick a switch mentally..whether he wants to or not is another story.
Is he capable of flicking that switch? That's the question I have. I have doubts over the mental side of his game..
I'll repeat what I think I've said at least 3 years in a row. He's contracted to the Blues next year, I hope he proves me wrong
Only he’d know that, but when you look at how long he’s been on the scene and not done it, it makes you wonder.
A lot of us Northlanders have been a harsh critics of his at times and have called for his benching many times. I know when Jono Kitto was with us last year it happened. When Nock finally got his jersey back he was on form. Just needs the fire lit under his ass..
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@taniwharugby Nock is a frustrating player, he’s got a ton of potential and I do believe he needs some one on one help.it’s not as if he has a work ethic issue in and around keeping fit.
It took Ofa Tuangafasi as an example 4 years to find his feet from and from what I understand he ticked all the right boxes in and around strength training and fitness
but I tell you what, he got owned by every man and his dog at scrum time in the early days which had many supporters including Auckland questioning what the hell he was doing in the Blues squad..
He apparently has been mentored by the All Black scrum coach Stu Cron and we have seen those improvementsWe all thought Bryn Hall was a little slow when playing for the Blues, but put him in the Crusaders , and he all of a sudden looks world class ..I don’t think Nock has had that luxury with at least 2 of the packs he gets to play behind.
I have got a bit of time for the player who works his backside off in and around training , what I don’t have time for is the individual that doesn’t do the mahi regardless how talented they are..and then gets defended by supporters, that’s when loyalty is totally blinded ..
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@Duluth not when we have made the same criticisms.
JUst pointing out how fans of Akira defend him despite having the same shortcomings, similarly Nock, makes the same errors, or not so much errors, just doesnt up the aspects of his game that could take him to the next level...but agree, I wonder if he is capable? LIke to think so, but not holding my breath.
TBH I wonder how different a player he may have been if he had gone off and played club footy for a season or 2 before stepping into Super rugby, to often these days players are pushed in too early, some thrive, some dont.
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Yeah. Player development. You would have to say that every player in the Taniwha squad would be a better player if they were in, say, the Canterbury/Crusaders system. Individual player development in Northland has been poor for decades. I grew up with the North Auckland teams of the 70's. Teams capable of beating any opposition. With a coach who had been in the position for 25 years! And with a No 9 who was the greatest sniper of all time! Nock should take note of that legacy! It's hard to look at the 12's getting a run at the moment as well, after having had sixteen seasons (consecutive) of Joe Morgan in that pos. I still watch, but it aint easy. Especially when my second team has always been Nelson/ Ta$man!!!
